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Title: Defining an RPG
Post by: torugo on July 01, 2010, 06:26:49 PM
a lot of people are having trouble telling what an rpg is so ill tell you how to tell the difference.
rpg stands for
role
playing
game
which are games that are turn based. if the game is not turn based it is not an rpg
Title: Defining an RPG
Post by: Duskling on July 01, 2010, 07:13:29 PM
Not all RPGs are turn-based... I don't think that Fallout 3 is turn-based (correct me if I'm wrong, I've never played it).
Title: Defining an RPG
Post by: Cypher on July 01, 2010, 10:25:00 PM
I know various RPGs that aren't turn-based.
Title: Defining an RPG
Post by: Bromtaghon on July 01, 2010, 11:05:40 PM
a lot of people are having trouble telling what an rpg is so ill tell you how to tell the difference.
rpg stands for
role
playing
game
which are games that are turn based. if the game is not turn based it is not an rpg
Role-playing means that you assume a role in the game.  Game, well, I assume you know what that means.
What part of that says 'it can't be turn based?'
If it's part of the definition that's fine with me, but your acronym analyzation was somewhat mootable.
Title: Defining an RPG
Post by: Steelfist on July 02, 2010, 08:08:13 AM
An RPG doesn't have to be turn based, although many are. I fail to see the logic; why would a role-playing game have to be turn based?

I believe the example of the non-turn based RPG Fallout has already been used, so I will draw your attention to Oblivion.
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: Duskling on July 02, 2010, 03:07:55 PM
I'm pretty sure there are also turn-based non-RPG games, so RPGs don't have to be turn-based.
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: Bromtaghon on July 02, 2010, 03:10:42 PM
Exactly, Dusk- that's what we're saying.  Whether or not it's turn-based does not affect whether or not it's an RPG.
Quote from: Wikipedia
A role-playing game (RPG) is a broad family of games in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting, or through a process of structured decision-making or character development. Actions taken within the game succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines.
Quote from: Wikipedia
Online text-based role-playing games involve many players using some type of text-based interface and an Internet connection to play an RPG. Games played in a real-time way include MUDs, MUSHes, and other varieties of MU*. Games played in a turn-based fashion include play-by-mail games and play-by-post games.
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: Steelfist on July 02, 2010, 05:28:33 PM
Although, I must admit, the majority of RPGs are turn based or have turn based features. Still, saying that all are is a vast over-generalisation.
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: torugo on July 02, 2010, 06:33:05 PM
there is no such thing as a non turn based ROLE PLAYING GAME. which is taking turns.
if so name 20
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: MikeW781 on July 02, 2010, 06:39:47 PM
there is no such thing as a non turn based ROLE PLAYING GAME. which is taking turns.
if so name 20
Really? You can role play without taking turns. What makes you think this?

But, for arguements sake, ill start this list:
Elder Scrolls 1: Arean
Elder Scrolls 2: Daggerfall
Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind
Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion
Fallout 1
Fallout 2
Fallout 3
World of Warcraft
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: Duskling on July 02, 2010, 08:10:12 PM
there is no such thing as a non turn based ROLE PLAYING GAME. which is taking turns.
if so name 20
Erm... role playing means playing a role... as in: playing a role in history, not taking turns.
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: Bromtaghon on July 02, 2010, 10:18:58 PM
I agree with Dusk, nothing in Role Playing Game suggests it must be turn-based.
if so name 20
Isn't that a bit unreasonable? I doubt most people know twenty RPGs.  At least, I don't. 
In any case, it's still an invalid argument.  Can you name twenty movies in which Taylor Lautner has starred? I'd guess not.  But does that mean he's never acted in a movie? No.
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: Zhampir on July 02, 2010, 10:26:54 PM
Yeah... Taking Turns typically says it's a turn-by-turn game (uh durr?)
RPG, as people have stated, means a Role-Playing game, in such, it means any game where you have a choice of character or gameplay, and this much be a distinguished feature of the game. Halo(campaign) is not a roleplaying game, as you must be a character, and the only customization is found in the weapons you use.
Pokemon is a roleplaying game. Even though you can't change your character, and have a limited choice on what you do, you can decide your team and their attacks, which is the defining feature of Pokemon (the Pokemon, again, pretty obvious) While Pokemon is turn-by-turn it is not the defining feature.
And even in the begining Final Fantassy's they got out of common turn by turn by giving speed bars to players, which changes the order by "turn" consistantly, turning the battle system into a "Real-time" game.

The idea that RPG's are defined by a "turn-by-turn" battle system, is, absolutely, ridiculously ludicrous. I don't think that E3, IGN, Gameinformers and the like would give awards saying "Greatest RPG of the Year" away to a non-rpg game. After all, they're the experts on games. Nuff said.
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: Duskling on July 02, 2010, 10:29:16 PM
So... how exactly would Role-Playing Game be a synonym for "Turn-Based Game," torugo? Please come up with an explanation or your arguement won't be valid, I mean, do you have any evidence that RPGs have to be turn-based? If so, please state them when you see the question.
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: Steelfist on July 03, 2010, 01:30:25 AM
I'm not sure there is an explanation.
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: Cypher on July 03, 2010, 07:03:14 AM
Ok, I'll try to explain it as clearly as possible. RPG's aren't neccesarily turn-based, normally, there are various characters accompanying you, and you go on some kind of journey. It's a mix of adventure and some fighting. In some you have to decifer some puzzles to advance. There are always vast landscapes and a twisted storyline. I also think the best RPG's are made by Square Enix.
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: Duskling on July 03, 2010, 12:24:06 PM
I'm not sure there is an explanation.
That is the point, without a valid explanation, which there isn't, in this case, the arguement isn't valid, and there isn't any evidence that RPGs must be valid... end of discussion?
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: Steelfist on July 03, 2010, 05:57:28 PM
I believe so.
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: Bromtaghon on July 03, 2010, 10:56:21 PM
I suggest we give torugo one more chance, seeing as he hasn't been on, and after that- lock it.
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: torugo on July 05, 2010, 06:19:59 PM
i dont mind if someone locks it.i didnt start this topic i just posted this in the greatest rpg topic and before i knew it it popped in to general discussion
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: Frosty on July 05, 2010, 06:26:42 PM
1. Elder Scrolls 1: Arean
2. Elder Scrolls 2: Daggerfall
3. Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind
4. Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion
5. Fallout 1
6. Fallout 2
7. Fallout 3
8. World of Warcraft
9. Mass Effect
10.Mass Effect 2
11. KOTOR
12. KOTOR 2
13. Dragon Age: Origins

7 more needed.
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: Cypher on July 05, 2010, 10:47:36 PM
1. Elder Scrolls 1: Arean
2. Elder Scrolls 2: Daggerfall
3. Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind
4. Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion
5. Fallout 1
6. Fallout 2
7. Fallout 3
8. World of Warcraft
9. Mass Effect
10.Mass Effect 2
11. KOTOR
12. KOTOR 2
13. Dragon Age: Origins
14. Rogue Galaxy

6 more needed.
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: Zhampir on July 06, 2010, 09:20:31 PM
1. Elder Scrolls 1: Arean
2. Elder Scrolls 2: Daggerfall
3. Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind
4. Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion
5. Fallout 1
6. Fallout 2
7. Fallout 3
8. World of Warcraft
9. Mass Effect
10.Mass Effect 2
11. KOTOR
12. KOTOR 2
13. Dragon Age: Origins
14. Rogue Galaxy

6 more needed.

15. Dark Eden
16. Runescape
4 more ^^
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: Bromtaghon on July 09, 2010, 03:02:37 PM
i dont mind if someone locks it.i didnt start this topic i just posted this in the greatest rpg topic and before i knew it it popped in to general discussion
By this I suppose you mean, you now agree that whether or not it is turn-based does not affect whether or not a game is an RPG?
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: CraigStern on July 11, 2010, 04:19:01 PM
RPGs actually originated in turn-based tactical war games. Pen-and-paper RPGs, which are the direct offspring of those war games, are also turn-based, as were virtually all early CRPGs. I think it's defining RPGs too narrowly to say that they must all be turn-based to qualify, but there's definitely an historical link between RPGs and turn-based gameplay. ;)
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: MikeW781 on July 15, 2010, 05:18:33 AM
Whats a CRPG?

1. Elder Scrolls 1: Arean
2. Elder Scrolls 2: Daggerfall
3. Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind
4. Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion
5. Fallout 1
6. Fallout 2
7. Fallout 3
8. World of Warcraft
9. Mass Effect
10.Mass Effect 2
11. KOTOR
12. KOTOR 2
13. Dragon Age: Origins
14. Rogue Galaxy
15. Dark Eden
16. Runescape


17. Fable I
18. Fable II
19. Fable III
20. Final Fantasy XI (I think it was 11, but one of the Final Fantasy's was a real action MMO for the Xbox)

Done!

But as Craig said, turn based RPGs were the original RPGs, and are still a large portion of all RPGs. So torugo's arguement was a valid point, just not entirely correct
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: Duskling on July 15, 2010, 08:14:53 AM
Indeed, a valid point, some, if not most, RPGs are turn-based, but they don't have to be.
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: Tastidian on July 15, 2010, 11:51:35 PM
Whats a CRPG?

1. Elder Scrolls 1: Arean
2. Elder Scrolls 2: Daggerfall
3. Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind
4. Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion
5. Fallout 1
6. Fallout 2
7. Fallout 3
8. World of Warcraft
9. Mass Effect
10.Mass Effect 2
11. KOTOR
12. KOTOR 2
13. Dragon Age: Origins
14. Rogue Galaxy
15. Dark Eden
16. Runescape


17. Fable I
18. Fable II
19. Fable III
20. Final Fantasy XI (I think it was 11, but one of the Final Fantasy's was a real action MMO for the Xbox)

Done!

But as Craig said, turn based RPGs were the original RPGs, and are still a large portion of all RPGs. So torugo's arguement was a valid point, just not entirely correct
I didn't think this was going to be finished so soon or why its started.
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: MikeW781 on July 16, 2010, 05:08:33 AM
there is no such thing as a non turn based ROLE PLAYING GAME. which is taking turns.
if so name 20
this is why it started, if you wanted to know
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: ArtDrake on August 23, 2010, 07:45:02 PM
In Flash:

1. Colony (Role of Cpt. Jetzul)
2. Echoes: Operation Stranglehold (Role of Gen. DEM)
3. Batman (Role of Batman)
4. StickRPG (Role of Stick)
5. Motherload (Role of Miner)
6. Dragracer V3 (Role of Dragracer)
7. Bowmaster (Role of Bowmaster)
8. Pacxon (Role of Pac-Man)
9. Frantic 2 (Role of... Dude in a spacehip)
10. Remnants of Skystone (Role of [Name Your Character])
11. How to Raise a Dragon (Role of the Dragon)
12. flOw (Role of... Squiqqly Thing)
13. Upgrade Complete (Role of Player)
14. Achievement Unlocked (Role of Elephant)
15. Epic Combo (Role of Combo-er)
16. Castaway (Role of Castaway)
17. Kingdom of Machines (Role of Some Guy)
18. Hero RPG (Role of Hero)
19. Athalina RPG (Role of the Hero of Athalina)
20. Level Up! (Role of Girl)

I think that's 20.
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: Xemadus Echina on August 23, 2010, 09:14:44 PM
There are specific styles of RPG's which may or may not be turn based.  It's like you have the kingdom of computer games.  Then the Phylum which is RPG's then you have Class.  Using TRPG as an example it would be a Flash game. Then you have order which is Indie game. next is Family which would be Steampunk . Genus is Strategy and the Species is Tactical.

If you have any edits to this classification then feel free to share :P
Kingdom-computer games
Phylum- RPG(type of game)
Class- Flash(method of production)
Order- Indie game/one-man army(group who makes the game)
Family- Steampunk(generalization)
Genus- Strategy(specific group of game)
Species- Tactical(Main concept of play style)

And yes, I did just pull all that out of thin air .
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: torugo on September 25, 2010, 08:43:52 PM
i could have sworn this topic would be locked by the time i got back
Title: Re: Defining an RPG
Post by: Xemadus Echina on September 29, 2010, 07:01:08 AM
lol way to necro post XD but yea I guess my definition of an RPG was so great that nobody else needed to comment.