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Title: Spirits Return
Post by: SmartyPants on February 19, 2010, 07:11:16 PM
Luca said "If our psy defenses fail, we can...disipate...for a short period of time"

Does this mean that defeated spirits, like Azma, could return and cause problems?
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: Frosty on February 19, 2010, 07:21:32 PM
For Azma, it depends, but that would be a really good plot twist. Make a mandatory spirit boss, that you have to fight about 5 times over again (the spirit getting better each time). I would depend for Azma because you don't have to kill him, you can tell him a false name, or tell him his real name if you ask his name twice. High aptitude or personality needed (I really don't know which).
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: Zhampir on February 19, 2010, 09:54:09 PM
They likely won't, they were anchored to Baz's basement because of Fizooz's debt, now that the hero (unless he killed Azma) made them forget their reason for being there, they will likely wonder the world.
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: SmartyPants on February 20, 2010, 06:37:22 AM
(unless he killed Azma)
What if one decides to kill Azma? Will he be able to return to fight the Hero again?
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: Zhampir on February 20, 2010, 02:36:09 PM
theoretically I think he should...
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: hellboy222 on February 20, 2010, 06:27:24 PM
that would be interesting, but I think a bit boring.
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: KZ on February 22, 2010, 05:38:55 AM
From what CraigStern said earlier in one comment about the Hero fulfilling the task Baz set him, Azma and co will be back soon, since they can't be killed- just temporarily disspiated. The difference will be that the Hero either persuades or scares the spirits (via fighting and dissipating them once) into not bothering Fizooz and the living anymore. That's one possibility, methinks.
Title: azma Return
Post by: torugo on March 08, 2010, 02:39:09 PM
unless azma joins the cutlists to get back at you
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: Frosty on March 08, 2010, 03:28:53 PM
Why would he do that? The cultists would just put him in a crypt to guard books, when he would rather get Fizooz than Duvalier, and Fizooz is in Baz's attic.
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: torugo on March 09, 2010, 03:40:30 PM
Why would he do that? The cultists would just put him in a crypt to guard books, when he would rather get Fizooz than Duvalier, and Fizooz is in Baz's attic.
how do they control spirits anyway
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: Zhampir on March 09, 2010, 03:53:43 PM
They likely don't, the spirits are simply there because it's the "Crypts"
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: Frosty on March 09, 2010, 03:57:08 PM
Actually, I realize Zhamphir is probably right.
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: KZ on March 11, 2010, 08:06:00 AM
I am pretty sure the spirits were there in the first place, and the Cultists simply found them to be of use in protecting their books.
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: Zhampir on March 11, 2010, 03:57:06 PM
It saddens me that none have commented on this major point in my ramblings, but why are the books being protected and not destroyed like a normal conquistador would have done?
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: torugo on March 11, 2010, 03:58:44 PM
zhampir is right why go to the trouble of hiding books in a crypt filled with spirits and traps instead of just burning them
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: Ertxiem on March 11, 2010, 04:51:15 PM
Perhaps the cultists took the books to the crypts to destroy them away from the sight of the common citizens, because they didn't want to admit that those books existed. However, (some of) the ghosts in the crypts are spirits of the former librarians and they scared off the cultists. The cultists didn't bother to try to destroy the books because they thought that no one will be able to reach them anyway.
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: cyso on March 11, 2010, 06:46:09 PM
Potential rebels might be content with not doing anything about the cult doing away with the books just as long as they know the books are still there. If a book lover figured out that the books had been destroyed, it might be "the final straw".
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: Zackirus on March 13, 2010, 02:39:51 PM
Potential rebels might be content with not doing anything about the cult doing away with the books just as long as they know the books are still there. If a book lover figured out that the books had been destroyed, it might be "the final straw".

I wonder how many book lovers their are in Ravinville?

Perhaps the cultists took the books to the crypts to destroy them away from the sight of the common citizens, because they didn't want to admit that those books existed. However, (some of) the ghosts in the crypts are spirits of the former librarians and they scared off the cultists. The cultists didn't bother to try to destroy the books because they thought that no one will be able to reach them anyway.

It doesn't seem like some spirts would frigten off the cultists. I think that the books were merly stored thier so only the cults could look at them
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: cyso on March 13, 2010, 02:46:35 PM
Hey, I've met some people absolutely crazy about books. They always read, and would be really, really mad if their books were destroyed.
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: Zhampir on March 13, 2010, 03:40:16 PM
but the cultists should have no use or respect for them. Perhaps schematics and training guides (though if they were for the Gift they would likely either a. be destroyed because the Cult supposedly hate the gift, or b. stored somewhere separate, perhaps the Cult headquarters so only trusted soldiers could learn) would be of interest, all others are normally, with the invasion of a new culture are destroyed.

The public (even the book lovers) would not know if they were being stored or destroyed. and the severe book lovers would assume they had been destroyed and lied to about them being safely stored. After all, what sense does it make to an ordinary citizen for the Cult to keep the books when the only book they encourage reading of is their propaganda of death and destruction to all non-believers?
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: Ertxiem on March 13, 2010, 05:12:45 PM
Perhaps the destruction of books was assigned to low educated soldiers that that didn't have the power (or the guts) to fight the ghosts. They thought that leaving the books to the ghosts is the same as destroying them since nobody (in their opinion) would risk their live just for a few books. And the soldiers didn't risk telling their leaders that they didn't destroy the books, as ordered, since they were afraid of being punished.
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: Presentiment on March 13, 2010, 05:15:36 PM
Perhaps the books were removed by these guys (http://www.johnbreiner.com/Images/illu/Farenheit/firefighter.JPG).
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: Zhampir on March 13, 2010, 05:49:14 PM
Perhaps the destruction of books was assigned to low educated soldiers that that didn't have the power (or the guts) to fight the ghosts. They thought that leaving the books to the ghosts is the same as destroying them since nobody (in their opinion) would risk their live just for a few books. And the soldiers didn't risk telling their leaders that they didn't destroy the books, as ordered, since they were afraid of being punished.

That... is... uh.. I'm confused as to your logic... lol
A fear, or inability to fight the ghosts would give the soldiers a reason to destroy the books... as they would likely have had to fight the ghosts to secure the books in the crypt.
If they were ordered to destroy the books, the only reason I see for the men to secure the books in a crypt is that they believe it's the last place the cult would search and they wished to protect the books... but as the guard at the library seems very confident about the removal of the books (as he is not the contact, the librarian is) this seems unlikely.
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: cyso on March 13, 2010, 06:10:38 PM
Maybe the guard was scared of being punished, like the librarian, but the fact that he was afraid while he was supposed to be a guardsmen loyal to the people made him bitter.
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: Zhampir on March 13, 2010, 06:15:17 PM
Good logic there as well. ^^
I was also thinking, perhaps the guard acted in this way to remove suspicion of him, as he does not know you are with the resistance, for all he knows you could be a spy looking for traitors within the Cult. He could even be the Librarian's informant.
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: KZ on March 14, 2010, 03:56:58 PM
The subject of books was breached before in the old forums, and I highly recommend to read that other topic. In essence, there were banned books in the Soviet Union as well, yet the elite had access to them. Why not destroy the books? I think this is one very big indication that the leaders of the Cult don't believe in what they preach themselves, and actually value their own freedom of thought, of choice, etc. It's also suggestive that they may be Psys themselves, if one follows through the logic coming from the previous point.
Title: Re: Spirits Return
Post by: Tastidian on July 15, 2010, 11:49:34 PM
(unless he killed Azma)
What if one decides to kill Azma? Will he be able to return to fight the Hero again?

Has anyone not noticed that they don't die if they lose their names they just turn into jins or something like that.