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Title: Where is the father?
Post by: SmartyPants on February 20, 2010, 09:13:08 AM
In TRPG1 Falstaff mentions that David "was able to warn your father that he was being taken west".  This is the only mention of Hero/David's father until David tells the Hero that they are the only ones left after Falstaff died.  This implies that the parents have died.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: KZ on February 22, 2010, 04:46:59 AM
Very good question that. Unless CraigStern tells us, or we find mmore info, the most probable outcome is that the Main's father died during the 4 years of the Main's enslavement. As to the mother, there is even less information about her: was she even alive when TRPG1 started off? Also, is Unlce Falstaff the father's or the mother's brother?
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: Zhampir on February 22, 2010, 04:30:04 PM
I'd take a guess and say the Father's brother.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: Frosty on February 22, 2010, 05:01:26 PM
I remain undecided, what are your reasons behind saying that Zhamphir.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: Zhampir on February 22, 2010, 05:50:06 PM
Simply because the mother is not mentioned.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: Frosty on February 22, 2010, 06:05:00 PM
But that means nothing, because she isn't mentioned doesn't mean she doesn't have some unknown role. so basically we may never know.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: Frosty on February 22, 2010, 07:30:25 PM
What does that have to do with anything?
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: SmartyPants on February 22, 2010, 07:57:06 PM
If the Nameless One is David/Main, then it could be possible that we learn their parrents' fate.  The Nameless One already mention how he wish he could have saved his parents.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: KZ on February 25, 2010, 09:31:32 AM
Indeed, the mention of parents makes David a likely suspect, especially since he probably was there when the father died, whilst the Main was serving Tastidian.


I did have a passing thought that Cygnus could be David, as David, apparently, has very powerful scanning abilities and, potentially, can get into other people's minds and influence them.
Title: im2smart4u has a point
Post by: torugo on March 07, 2010, 06:54:53 PM
it is highly possible that david is the nameless one its less likely that it would be you because you were enslaved when your family died and didnt have any clue about it until the last minute
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: Tastidian on March 13, 2010, 01:35:06 PM
Hmm... This could turn into a very interesting piece of the story.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: KZ on March 14, 2010, 02:21:59 PM
Naturally. But there is a very big question as to whether this will come up in TSoG, or remain unsolved. However, given the hints that TSoG Hero comes from the North, I wouldn't be very surprised if we find out that he is related to the Main. And through that we might find out more about the Main's family towards the end of TSoG.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: Idozen Cair on December 21, 2010, 07:58:53 PM
Very good question that. Unless CraigStern tells us, or we find mmore info, the most probable outcome is that the Main's father died during the 4 years of the Main's enslavement. As to the mother, there is even less information about her: was she even alive when TRPG1 started off? Also, is Unlce Falstaff the father's or the mother's brother?
But if they David and Main were the only ones left after Falstaff died, that means that their parents died before Falstaff, so I think it's unlikely that the parents dies during Main's enslavement, otherwise David would've mentioned.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: HeadShot on December 25, 2010, 04:08:34 PM
But if they David and Main were the only ones left after Falstaff died, that means that their parents died before Falstaff, so I think it's unlikely that the parents dies during Main's enslavement, otherwise David would've mentioned.
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Yeah, your probbaly right. ::)
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: SmartyPants on December 25, 2010, 11:55:37 PM
But if they David and Main were the only ones left after Falstaff died, that means that their parents died before Falstaff, so I think it's unlikely that the parents dies during Main's enslavement, otherwise David would've mentioned.

Yeah, your probbaly right. ::)
The father found the shadowling camp in TRPG1, so he had to have died during the Hero's enslavement.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: Idozen Cair on December 26, 2010, 01:07:31 AM
Then David would've mentioned it to the Main. You would do it if you were David, wouldn't you?
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: SmartyPants on December 26, 2010, 02:07:27 AM
Then David would've mentioned it to the Main. You would do it if you were David, wouldn't you?
Are you saying that your speculation trumps the fact that the TRPG1 says the father is alive?  Your speculation needs to fit with canon information.  You can't try to change canon information to fit your speculation.

Possible Theories:
*Maybe David didn't mention his parent's death, because he wasn't thinking clearly due to the flood of emotions caused by his reunion with his sibling.
*Maybe the father's death wasn't worth mentioning because it was expected (like terminal illness), while Falstaff death came as a surprise.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: Idozen Cair on December 26, 2010, 07:01:43 AM
1. I'm not stating that the father was alive in TRPG1. I am stating that he probably didn't die at the Main's enslavement.
2. Even if the father's death was expected, David would've told the Main. It's just, well... so obvious. Emotional mess could've been traced to expected death too, and David could've been thinking of the father's death (according to your theory).
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: SmartyPants on December 26, 2010, 11:15:20 AM
1. I'm not stating that the father was alive in TRPG1. I am stating that he probably didn't die at the Main's enslavement.
A)Falstaff mentioned the father finding the shadowling camp in TRPG1 (aka he is alive).
B)In TRPG2, David mentioned that Falstaff was the siblings' last relative and that he died.

The Hero's enslavement was between those two events, so the father had to have died during the Hero's enslavement.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: Idozen Cair on December 26, 2010, 11:28:05 AM
Then why didn't David tell the Main?
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: SmartyPants on December 26, 2010, 01:42:34 PM
Knowing the father is alive in TRPG1 and the Hero being David's only living family by the end of TRPG2, what do you think happened to the father?
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: HeadShot on December 26, 2010, 08:57:16 PM
I think:

1)He was murdered/assassinatged
2)Died of Illness (Like Falstgaff)
or 3)Turned into a mindless slave and died

maybe none of them

sorry for all of the gs
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: SmartyPants on December 26, 2010, 09:30:07 PM
I think:
1)He was murdered/assassinatged
2)Died of Illness (Like Falstgaff)
or 3)Turned into a mindless slave and died
maybe none of them
So you agree that he died somehow during the Hero's enslavement?
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: Idozen Cair on December 27, 2010, 01:34:28 AM
I think he died when the Main saved David (in TRPG1).
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: Idozen Cair on December 27, 2010, 01:35:51 AM
I mean when he/she was SAVING David. Hey! Anyone of you thought that maybe, just maybe the father didn't die. Perhaps he just disappeared.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: Steelfist on December 27, 2010, 03:21:41 PM
What about:

1. David and the Main are only half brothers; they have different fathers.
2. Falstaff is the mother's brother.
3. The mother died before the start of the game. So did the main's father.
4. David's father died during the main's enslavement.
4. David didn't mention the death of his father specifically as the main was no relation.

Purely speculation.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: HeadShot on December 27, 2010, 03:59:42 PM
I think:
1)He was murdered/assassinatged
2)Died of Illness (Like Falstgaff)
or 3)Turned into a mindless slave and died
maybe none of them
So you agree that he died somehow during the Hero's enslavement?

Yes
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: SmartyPants on December 28, 2010, 03:17:04 AM
Anyone of you thought that maybe, just maybe the father didn't die. Perhaps he just disappeared.
Then David would've mentioned it to the Main. You would do it if you were David, wouldn't you?
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: Idozen Cair on December 28, 2010, 07:44:45 AM
That was according to your logic, not mine.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: SmartyPants on December 28, 2010, 01:25:15 PM
That was according to your logic, not mine.
Your logic is to disregard canon information, because David didn't yell "Daddy is Dead!"
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: Idozen Cair on December 28, 2010, 08:00:55 PM
So, what do you think then? All - the father, David....
List them out.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: SmartyPants on December 29, 2010, 09:28:27 PM
So, what do you think then? All - the father, David....
List them out.
What does that even mean?
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: Idozen Cair on December 30, 2010, 08:02:44 AM
List all your hypothesis on this subject. Everything - your ideas on the location of the father, why David didn't tell Main.... everything.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: SmartyPants on December 30, 2010, 09:44:46 AM
List all your hypothesis on this subject. Everything - your ideas on the location of the father, why David didn't tell Main.... everything.
There isn't enough info on the father to even guess his location.

My hypothesis on why David didn't talk: Craig didn't want to side track the story of the Hero and David's reunion by having David cry about his parents.  Plus, it allows the Nameless One to reveal a secret that ties the games together.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: ArtDrake on January 02, 2011, 01:22:13 PM
What, that he's TRPG1 main's father?
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: MikeW781 on January 02, 2011, 02:48:19 PM
No, that he IS the TRPG1 and TRPG2 main, and his parents died when he was young
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: ArtDrake on January 02, 2011, 02:50:30 PM
He can't be. TRPG1 and 2 Hero is intentionally gender-neutral.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: SmartyPants on January 02, 2011, 04:54:03 PM
No, that he IS the TRPG1 and TRPG2 main, and his parents died when he was young
Close, but not exactly.  I think there is also a good chance of the Nameless One being David.

He can't be. TRPG1 and 2 Hero is intentionally gender-neutral.
The Nameless One has also remained gender-neutral.  Can you prove that he/she is a man/women within the dialogue?
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: ArtDrake on January 02, 2011, 07:18:34 PM
Haven't we been over this?

Would you call a woman an "old codger"?
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: SmartyPants on January 02, 2011, 08:09:30 PM
Would you call a woman an "old codger"?
I wouldn't call anyone "old codger", because it is a rude term for the eccentric elderly.  It still seems like a genderless phrase to me.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: Idozen Cair on January 02, 2011, 08:16:04 PM
Guys, you're going off topic. Anyway, my thoughts:

1. The father could be the Nameless One.
2. I think 'old codger' is a bit tilted to male.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: SmartyPants on January 02, 2011, 09:25:58 PM
1. The father could be the Nameless One.
Except David said that the Hero is the last of his family.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: Steelfist on January 07, 2011, 10:55:37 AM
Well done completely ignoring my small input.

I doubt the father is the nameless one. Not only is it disregarding the phrase 'We're the only ones left', it is extremely unlikely, given the age that he would likely be.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: ArtDrake on January 07, 2011, 06:58:45 PM
Well, who would be an "old codger"?
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: Idozen Cair on January 07, 2011, 11:58:56 PM
I recall Craig saying that the time between TRPG2 and SoG are 20 years. David couldn't be the Nameless One.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: SmartyPants on January 09, 2011, 01:18:40 AM
I recall Craig saying that the time between TRPG2 and SoG are 20 years. David couldn't be the Nameless One.
I don't think Craig has ever told us the number of decades between the games.  Depite the persistency of some members, Craig has decided to leave the timeline as a mystery. 

P.S. All the evidence points towards the father dying during the Hero's enslavement, depite the fact that David didn't explain everything that happened in the last three years in his one paragraph of dialogue.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: HeadShot on January 10, 2011, 08:28:23 AM
Probbaly Dead.

P.S. NOT PRESENTIMENT!
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: Steelfist on January 13, 2011, 11:34:57 AM
I suspect it is significantly greater than 20 years since the events of TRPG2.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: HeadShot on January 17, 2011, 06:08:25 PM
I think that too, ya know?
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: ArtDrake on August 24, 2015, 06:11:11 AM
Well, I'm just gonna go ahead and mention that given the age of Anya in TRPG:SoG, I'm almost certain the Nameless One is David. I haven't managed to finish the game, due to a couple of game-breaking bugs the last time I tried, so apologies if that's made explicit in an ending.

Regardless, the father is almost certainly long dead.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: Chocobo_Fan on August 28, 2015, 09:50:16 AM
The Nameless One is referred to as "a veteran of the Shadow War", so he's not David. I thought it was pretty clear that he was the protagonist of TRPG2.
Title: Re: Where is the father?
Post by: ArtDrake on August 28, 2015, 10:20:07 AM
Heck, no. The TRPG2 Hero is gender-indeterminate. That's pure canon, not just an artificial choice in the beginning of the game; the fact that their gender isn't defined is Word of God. Plus, there's this quote from the Wiki, presumably sourced from the epilogue:

Quote
After the Shadow War, David will become a Black Cape at the head of his class in record time. He will be considered as having the most advanced Scanning abilities of any Psy alive.

Who else is going to be running such strong obfuscation and misdirection for the Resistance? That's advanced Psy technique; while the Hero was big on raw power, David sounds like he was more capable when it comes to the delicate things. I wouldn't put too much faith in "veteran of the Shadow War" -- that could just easily be a bit of exaggeration or miscommunication. After all, isn't it Baz who describes him as such? Baz could have heard him say that he was with the Psy Academy when the Shadow War was going down and just inferred his participation, for instance.

Plus, it makes more sense for the Nameless One to be detached from elemental affinities, since he's equally capable of training Duvalier in all four elemental schools. If it were the TRPG1+2 Hero, you'd think he'd have some sort of bias towards Heat training (being one of the world's most talented pyrokineticists), but nothing like that gets mentioned.