In TRPG1 Falstaff mentions that David "was able to warn your father that he was being taken west". This is the only mention of Hero/David's father until David tells the Hero that they are the only ones left after Falstaff died. This implies that the parents have died.
Very good question that. Unless CraigStern tells us, or we find mmore info, the most probable outcome is that the Main's father died during the 4 years of the Main's enslavement. As to the mother, there is even less information about her: was she even alive when TRPG1 started off? Also, is Unlce Falstaff the father's or the mother's brother?
I'd take a guess and say the Father's brother.
I remain undecided, what are your reasons behind saying that Zhamphir.
Simply because the mother is not mentioned.
But that means nothing, because she isn't mentioned doesn't mean she doesn't have some unknown role. so basically we may never know.
What does that have to do with anything?
If the Nameless One is David/Main, then it could be possible that we learn their parrents' fate. The Nameless One already mention how he wish he could have saved his parents.
Indeed, the mention of parents makes David a likely suspect, especially since he probably was there when the father died, whilst the Main was serving Tastidian.
I did have a passing thought that Cygnus could be David, as David, apparently, has very powerful scanning abilities and, potentially, can get into other people's minds and influence them.
it is highly possible that david is the nameless one its less likely that it would be you because you were enslaved when your family died and didnt have any clue about it until the last minute
Hmm... This could turn into a very interesting piece of the story.
Naturally. But there is a very big question as to whether this will come up in TSoG, or remain unsolved. However, given the hints that TSoG Hero comes from the North, I wouldn't be very surprised if we find out that he is related to the Main. And through that we might find out more about the Main's family towards the end of TSoG.
Quote from: KZ on February 22, 2010, 05:46:59 AM
Very good question that. Unless CraigStern tells us, or we find mmore info, the most probable outcome is that the Main's father died during the 4 years of the Main's enslavement. As to the mother, there is even less information about her: was she even alive when TRPG1 started off? Also, is Unlce Falstaff the father's or the mother's brother?
But if they David and Main were the only ones left after Falstaff died, that means that their parents died before Falstaff, so I think it's unlikely that the parents dies during Main's enslavement, otherwise David would've mentioned.
But if they David and Main were the only ones left after Falstaff died, that means that their parents died before Falstaff, so I think it's unlikely that the parents dies during Main's enslavement, otherwise David would've mentioned.
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Yeah, your probbaly right. ::)
Quote from: TheCerzakfan81 on December 25, 2010, 05:08:34 PMBut if they David and Main were the only ones left after Falstaff died, that means that their parents died before Falstaff, so I think it's unlikely that the parents dies during Main's enslavement, otherwise David would've mentioned.
Yeah, your probbaly right. ::)
The father found the shadowling camp in TRPG1, so he had to have died during the Hero's enslavement.
Then David would've mentioned it to the Main. You would do it if you were David, wouldn't you?
Quote from: The Grotesquery on December 26, 2010, 02:07:31 AMThen David would've mentioned it to the Main. You would do it if you were David, wouldn't you?
Are you saying that your speculation trumps the fact that the TRPG1 says the father is alive? Your speculation needs to fit with canon information. You can't try to change canon information to fit your speculation.
Possible Theories:
*Maybe David didn't mention his parent's death, because he wasn't thinking clearly due to the flood of emotions caused by his reunion with his sibling.
*Maybe the father's death wasn't worth mentioning because it was expected (like terminal illness), while Falstaff death came as a surprise.
1. I'm not stating that the father was alive in TRPG1. I am stating that he probably didn't die at the Main's enslavement.
2. Even if the father's death was expected, David would've told the Main. It's just, well... so obvious. Emotional mess could've been traced to expected death too, and David could've been thinking of the father's death (according to your theory).
Quote from: The Grotesquery on December 26, 2010, 08:01:43 AM
1. I'm not stating that the father was alive in TRPG1. I am stating that he probably didn't die at the Main's enslavement.
A)Falstaff mentioned the father finding the shadowling camp in TRPG1 (aka he is alive).
B)In TRPG2, David mentioned that Falstaff was the siblings' last relative and that he died.
The Hero's enslavement was between those two events, so the father had to have died during the Hero's enslavement.
Then why didn't David tell the Main?
Knowing the father is alive in TRPG1 and the Hero being David's only living family by the end of TRPG2, what do you think happened to the father?
I think:
1)He was murdered/assassinatged
2)Died of Illness (Like Falstgaff)
or 3)Turned into a mindless slave and died
maybe none of them
sorry for all of the gs
Quote from: TheCerzakfan81 on December 26, 2010, 09:57:16 PMI think:
1)He was murdered/assassinatged
2)Died of Illness (Like Falstgaff)
or 3)Turned into a mindless slave and died
maybe none of them
So you agree that he died
somehow during the Hero's enslavement?
I think he died when the Main saved David (in TRPG1).
I mean when he/she was SAVING David. Hey! Anyone of you thought that maybe, just maybe the father didn't die. Perhaps he just disappeared.
What about:
1. David and the Main are only half brothers; they have different fathers.
2. Falstaff is the mother's brother.
3. The mother died before the start of the game. So did the main's father.
4. David's father died during the main's enslavement.
4. David didn't mention the death of his father specifically as the main was no relation.
Purely speculation.
Quote from: im2smart4u on December 26, 2010, 10:30:07 PM
Quote from: TheCerzakfan81 on December 26, 2010, 09:57:16 PMI think:
1)He was murdered/assassinatged
2)Died of Illness (Like Falstgaff)
or 3)Turned into a mindless slave and died
maybe none of them
So you agree that he died somehow during the Hero's enslavement?
Yes
Quote from: The Grotesquery on December 27, 2010, 02:35:51 AMAnyone of you thought that maybe, just maybe the father didn't die. Perhaps he just disappeared.
Then David would've mentioned it to the Main. You would do it if you were David, wouldn't you?
That was according to your logic, not mine.
Quote from: The Grotesquery on December 28, 2010, 08:44:45 AMThat was according to your logic, not mine.
Your logic is to disregard canon information, because David didn't yell "Daddy is Dead!"
So, what do you think then? All - the father, David....
List them out.
Quote from: The Grotesquery on December 28, 2010, 09:00:55 PM
So, what do you think then? All - the father, David....
List them out.
What does that even mean?
List all your hypothesis on this subject. Everything - your ideas on the location of the father, why David didn't tell Main.... everything.
Quote from: The Grotesquery on December 30, 2010, 09:02:44 AMList all your hypothesis on this subject. Everything - your ideas on the location of the father, why David didn't tell Main.... everything.
There isn't enough info on the father to even guess his location.
My hypothesis on why David didn't talk: Craig didn't want to side track the story of the Hero and David's reunion by having David cry about his parents. Plus, it allows the Nameless One to reveal a secret that ties the games together.
What, that he's TRPG1 main's father?
No, that he IS the TRPG1 and TRPG2 main, and his parents died when he was young
He can't be. TRPG1 and 2 Hero is intentionally gender-neutral.
Quote from: MikeW781 on January 02, 2011, 03:48:19 PM
No, that he IS the TRPG1 and TRPG2 main, and his parents died when he was young
Close, but not exactly. I think there is also a good chance of the Nameless One being David.
Quote from: Duckling on January 02, 2011, 03:50:30 PM
He can't be. TRPG1 and 2 Hero is intentionally gender-neutral.
The Nameless One has also remained gender-neutral. Can you prove that he/she is a man/women within the dialogue?
Haven't we been over this?
Would you call a woman an "old codger"?
Quote from: Duckling on January 02, 2011, 08:18:34 PM
Would you call a woman an "old codger"?
I wouldn't call anyone "old codger", because it is a rude term for the eccentric elderly. It still seems like a genderless phrase to me.
Guys, you're going off topic. Anyway, my thoughts:
1. The father could be the Nameless One.
2. I think 'old codger' is a bit tilted to male.
Quote from: The Grotesquery on January 02, 2011, 09:16:04 PM
1. The father could be the Nameless One.
Except David said that the Hero is the last of his family.
Well done completely ignoring my small input.
I doubt the father is the nameless one. Not only is it disregarding the phrase 'We're the only ones left', it is extremely unlikely, given the age that he would likely be.
Well, who would be an "old codger"?
I recall Craig saying that the time between TRPG2 and SoG are 20 years. David couldn't be the Nameless One.
Quote from: The Grotesquery on January 08, 2011, 12:58:56 AMI recall Craig saying that the time between TRPG2 and SoG are 20 years. David couldn't be the Nameless One.
I don't think Craig has ever told us the number of decades between the games. Depite the persistency of some members, Craig has decided to leave the timeline as a mystery.
P.S. All the evidence points towards the father dying during the Hero's enslavement, depite the fact that David didn't explain everything that happened in the last three years in his one paragraph of dialogue.
Probbaly Dead.
P.S. NOT PRESENTIMENT!
I suspect it is significantly greater than 20 years since the events of TRPG2.
I think that too, ya know?
Well, I'm just gonna go ahead and mention that given the age of Anya in TRPG:SoG, I'm almost certain the Nameless One is David. I haven't managed to finish the game, due to a couple of game-breaking bugs the last time I tried, so apologies if that's made explicit in an ending.
Regardless, the father is almost certainly long dead.
The Nameless One is referred to as "a veteran of the Shadow War", so he's not David. I thought it was pretty clear that he was the protagonist of TRPG2.
Heck, no. The TRPG2 Hero is gender-indeterminate. That's pure canon, not just an artificial choice in the beginning of the game; the fact that their gender isn't defined is Word of God. Plus, there's this quote from the Wiki, presumably sourced from the epilogue:
QuoteAfter the Shadow War, David will become a Black Cape at the head of his class in record time. He will be considered as having the most advanced Scanning abilities of any Psy alive.
Who else is going to be running such strong obfuscation and misdirection for the Resistance? That's advanced Psy technique; while the Hero was big on raw power, David sounds like he was more capable when it comes to the delicate things. I wouldn't put too much faith in "veteran of the Shadow War" -- that could just easily be a bit of exaggeration or miscommunication. After all, isn't it Baz who describes him as such? Baz could have heard him say that he was with the Psy Academy when the Shadow War was going down and just inferred his participation, for instance.
Plus, it makes more sense for the Nameless One to be detached from elemental affinities, since he's equally capable of training Duvalier in all four elemental schools. If it were the TRPG1+2 Hero, you'd think he'd have some sort of bias towards Heat training (being one of the world's most talented pyrokineticists), but nothing like that gets mentioned.