Who is the trainer really? Is he the old hero, an ex psy student, an old hermit from the mountains?
Post your ideals about this unique character here!
there was some speculation on the old forum that he's the hero from trpg2.
Yep, there were several speculative threads, with the most popular ideas being that the Nameless One is either the Main or David. Other probable candidates were the tutors or dean of the Psy Academy, as well as Guy. What we all agreed on was that the Nameless One is an old, male human. And he was seen by us in TRPG2, as mentioned by CraigStern.
yeah but didn't we decide that it couldn't be the dean because he was already old at the end of the old one so he'd be dead by now.
Thing is, the Main in TRPG 1&2 is never specifyed as a male or female at all.
Methinks, that if The Nameless One is one of the two brothers, it'd more likely be David. And Noctus said that he is doing an important task... I'm sure that it's linked controlling others mind somehow. (Referring to the rescue of parents, where he distracted the guards.)
Nameless one makes sense as the hero from TRPG 2 since if I recall correctly (been a while) the hero then was player-named also, so since TRPGSOG can't access the player-given name of the hero from TRPG 2, he has to be nameless to ensure continuity (the hero can't have some determined name, since the players get to name him/her)- of course, it still could be David or someone we don't know, part of his being nameless is probably suspense... I'm sure we'll find out at some point in the story (although it would make the most sense if it was some character from TRPG 2)
But my earlier post can sort of disprove the fact that it could be the Main from TRPG1 or 2.
Quote from: Frosty on February 22, 2010, 06:34:23 PM
Thing is, the Main in TRPG 1&2 is never specifyed as a male or female at all.
The Nameless One has also never been specifyed as a male or female.
right, the no name, undefined gender both add up... plus he/she may have aged (the nameless one looks fairly old, although its hard to tell with the hood) although it would help if we knew how long its been since the shadow war/events of tprpg 2) but from what i can gather the new shadowling government has been around for a while... so any of the younger characters from tprpg 2 could have aged and still be around (although who knows the typical human lifespan in this world)
It seems that several decades has passed. We also don't know the effect of Psy powers on longevity of human life, for instance- more powerful Psys may, potentially, live longer. From what CraigStern mentioned earlier, it will be someone we've met before, but that doesn't mean it will be someone very prominent.
The fact that he is the Nameless One may support the genderless Hero with no name, but then he is defined as a he in TSoG (the old coger) and lack of name may, as said above, be simply to add suspense. It seems like we'll find out at the end of TSoG (would be logical). The part about parents may be indicative of it being David, since the Main wasn't around when Unlce Falstaff and, presumably, the father of the Main passed away, whilst David migh've been. (The father is mentioned in TRPG1 and in TRPG2 David says that there is no one left, but them- David and the Main.)
As usual KZ brings up solid points, I hope it's not the main simply because I like the mystery that the end of trpg 2 gave, maybe I'm just a freak.
i was just thinking it wouldn't be called UNCLE Falstaff if it was the Mains Father
Cheers, hellboy222, though to be fair, I've summed up several pages of discussions from the old forums, with points made by other users as well. ;)
Gad Gad Gad: I think everyone naturally assumes that Uncle Falstaff is the Main's Uncle, and not his father, especially since Uncle Falstaff mentions the Main's father in the first place (when he tells the Main that David was kidnapped by Shadowlings).
I don't think it can be david because didn't Baz say the Nameless one was a soldier form the shadow wars, and David never fought.
That's one way of looking at it- he was called a "veteran of the Shadow Wars". I guess it can be argued that since the Shadowlings did use David in TRG1 as a military asset, he was part of the wars and went through them, without being a soldier, yet being in the military forces. However, I must admit that this is a very good point against David being the Nameless One.
Quote from: KZ on March 01, 2010, 01:59:23 PM
That's one way of looking at it- he was called a "veteran of the Shadow Wars". I guess it can be argued that since the Shadowlings did use David in TRG1 as a military asset, he was part of the wars and went through them, without being a soldier, yet being in the military forces. However, I must admit that this is a very good point against David being the Nameless One.
We don't know what David was doing between his rescue and the Hero's return. Like his sibling, David could have left the Academy to fight shadowlings and rescue kidnapped students. Plus, Baz thinks the Nameless One is a veteran. Baz could have been lied to.
Indeed, though I doubt the Academy would send an untraned (although talented) student into battle. Also don't forget that the Psy Academy just sided with the Spriggats when the Main came about, and David was only getting to grips with the most basic psy attacks, judging by his cape colour. And I also doubt that the Psy Academy will use shildren as soldiers.
Still, we don't know how long it took to pacify the Shadowlings- David could've graduated by then and took part in rooting them out (by using his amazing scanning abilities and overcoming the Shadowling obfuscations). Still, that is one good point made about the Nameless One being a veteran of the Shadow Wars.
Just thought I'd point out something...
The Nameless One is able to train the Hero in any one of the four types. The other characters all work on their skills in order to create a new skill. The Nameless One is able to guide the hero along any of the four elemental paths, showing that The Nameless One likely has knowledge of each element himself.
Quote from: KZ on March 04, 2010, 12:48:56 PM
Indeed, though I doubt the Academy would send an untraned (although talented) student into battle. Also don't forget that the Psy Academy just sided with the Spriggats when the Main came about, and David was only getting to grips with the most basic psy attacks, judging by his cape colour. And I also doubt that the Psy Academy will use shildren as soldiers.
I never said the Academy sent David to attack the Camp. Did the Academy send the Main to attack the Shadowling Camp? No, the Main went to the Shadowling Camp on his/her own accord. David could have also snuck out of the Academy to rescue fellow students.
QuoteJust thought I'd point out something...
The Nameless One is able to train the Hero in any one of the four types. The other characters all work on their skills in order to create a new skill. The Nameless One is able to guide the hero along any of the four elemental paths, showing that The Nameless One likely has knowledge of each element himself.
A really powerful psy (such as Nelis and Tastidan) would be able to defy their natural element. Plus, Hellion was able to teach the Main in TRPG2 pyro attacks. Whether or not he could use pyro attacks himself has never been confirmed.
Quote from: yogc on March 04, 2010, 07:03:04 PM
A really powerful psy (such as Nelis and Tastidan) would be able to defy their natural element. Plus, Hellion was able to teach the Main in TRPG2 pyro attacks. Whether or not he could use pyro attacks himself has never been confirmed.
Hellion didn't teach the Hero pyro attacks. In TRPG1, the Hero taught himself Pyro Blast with the help of a book called
Pyrokinetics For Beginners. He was also able to use Pyro Hail with the help of the crimson orb.
I do get what you are saying though. Hellion was able to teach guy Pyro Hail and help Grotius increase the range and power of his Frost Breath. I don't think Hellion was able to use either Heat or Cold elements.
Indeed, don't forget that he also allowed the Main to train Feedback and get it into Vengeance. Plus, he allowed the Main to learn protective shields- something that is also not a trivial matter. The only attacks which Hellion didn't really help with were the attacks that were installed on Flint by Helena.
I agree that the Nameless One has knowledge of all the elements and I suspect that he's been exposed to all 4 of them. For instance, as a veteran of the Shadow Wars, he likely originated from the Psy Academy, where they teach Heat and Light attacks. Most likely, he saw the Shadowlings in action, and got experience in the Shadow element. Then, as the Psy Academy sided with Spriggats and Grtotius introduced the Cold element to the Psy Aacdemy folks, the Namless One could get a theoretical handle on the Cold element as well.
Quote from: Kivatti on February 22, 2010, 06:42:13 PM
Methinks, that if The Nameless One is one of the two brothers, it'd more likely be David. And Noctus said that he is doing an important task... I'm sure that it's linked controlling others mind somehow. (Referring to the rescue of parents, where he distracted the guards.)
i think its david too and the service he was doing was deciphering the language of the mercanaries since shadowlings cant read human
Where did it say shadowlings can't read human language. Weren't the books in Thallion's manor and at the TRPG 2 headquarters written in human language since the main could tell what they were about?
This discussion makes me think The Nameless One is Aram.
Quote from: yogc on March 08, 2010, 04:56:05 PM
Where did it say shadowlings can't read human language. Weren't the books in Thallion's manor and at the TRPG 2 headquarters written in human language since the main could tell what they were about?
no, the main read them by reading the thoughts that a previous reader had when they read the book.
If Anya can learn shadowling text, then I assume shadowlings can learn the human language too.
The Hero couldn't read the shadowling text. He read the Thought Impressions (http://telepath.wikia.com/wiki/Thought_Impression) of previous readers.
Getting back to the topic at hand. No, I don't think that the nameless one is David, Anna, or the Main because it says that the different characters went on to do thier different things. I alsodon't think that he is the main is Because it doesn't seem like the name less has red hair. I remeber the first drawings of him. His hair was sort of brown rather than red or black. My final reason I think that he is the main because I think that sometime in the telepath seris that the hero will fight the hero of chapters 2.
That.Isn't.Reasoning
Quote from: Zackirus on March 08, 2010, 07:12:47 PM
I alsodon't think that he is the main is Because it doesn't seem like the name less has red hair. I remeber the first drawings of him. His hair was sort of brown rather than red or black.
I think the Nameless One has grey hair now.
I still like the idea of The Nameless One being Guy.^^
it even fits logically.
Yeah but TSoG is meant to stand alone so does that mean it's more likely that its not gonna be anyone from Trpg2?
Craig has mentioned that The Nameless One is somebody we know (hey, what if it's Craig himself?)
oh yeah forgot. (that would be epic or what if Craig is Yawah?
Quote from: yogc on March 08, 2010, 04:56:05 PM
Where did it say shadowlings can't read human language. Weren't the books in Thallion's manor and at the TRPG 2 headquarters written in human language since the main could tell what they were about?
he assumed thats what they were about he could not read them
Quote from: im2smart4u on March 08, 2010, 08:38:07 PM
Quote from: Zackirus on March 08, 2010, 07:12:47 PM
I alsodon't think that he is the main is Because it doesn't seem like the name less has red hair. I remeber the first drawings of him. His hair was sort of brown rather than red or black.
I think the Nameless One has grey hair now.
how can you tell his portrate is white
QuoteQuote from: torugo on March 09, 2010, 04:42:42 PM
Quote from: yogc on March 08, 2010, 04:56:05 PM
Where did it say shadowlings can't read human language. Weren't the books in Thallion's manor and at the TRPG 2 headquarters written in human language since the main could tell what they were about?
he assumed thats what they were about he could not read them
Quote from: im2smart4u on March 08, 2010, 06:20:03 PM
If Anya can learn shadowling text, then I assume shadowlings can learn the human language too.
The Hero couldn't read the shadowling text. He read the Thought Impressions (http://telepath.wikia.com/wiki/Thought_Impression) of previous readers.
Read everyone's posts.
Quote from: torugo on March 09, 2010, 04:43:59 PM
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Quote from: Zackirus on March 08, 2010, 07:12:47 PM
I alsodon't think that he is the main is Because it doesn't seem like the name less has red hair. I remeber the first drawings of him. His hair was sort of brown rather than red or black.
I think the Nameless One has grey hair now.
how can you tell his portrate is white
He has grey hair in the original in-game portrait (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/telepath/images/4/43/Portrait_Trainer_ConvBoxSized.png)
torugo: Craig mentioned that TSoG happens a couple of decades after TRPG2. So, the survivors should be older (greyer hair in humans; red->pink->blue->green eyes for the shadowlings).
Quote from: hellboy222 on March 09, 2010, 05:55:14 AM
oh yeah forgot. (that would be epic or what if Craig is Yawah?
Nah. Craig is above the powers of Yawah! :)
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Quote from: Ertxiem on March 09, 2010, 06:00:13 PM
torugo: Craig mentioned that TSoG happens a couple of decades after TRPG2. So, the survivors should be older (greyer hair in humans; red->pink->blue->green eyes for the shadowlings).
Quote from: hellboy222 on March 09, 2010, 05:55:14 AM
oh yeah forgot. (that would be epic or what if Craig is Yawah?
Nah. Craig is above the powers of Yawah! :)
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Ooops! Sorry... Now Nelis will come after me!
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don't worry she won't come after us we're insignificant
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Um, Guys? In TRPG2 when Anya asks the hero if he remembered the author of the book, he said, wasn't it the unspeakable one or something? Then, Anya says, ya, , something like that. what if she ment the nameless one? just a thought.
No Dayn, Anya says that the title of the book is, "Her Name is Unspeakable." Refering to Nelis of course.
Oh.
lets put together all we know about the nameless one 1:he fought in the shadow wars 2: he is someone we know is there anything else?
Quote from: hellboy222 on March 19, 2010, 04:08:49 PM
lets put together all we know about the nameless one 1:he fought in the shadow wars 2: he is someone we know is there anything else?
*He couldn't save his parents
*He is skilled in Obfuscation
so anya and guy are out aren't they, which leave David the main and someone else who I cant remember.
um Shadow Wars so he fought in multiple wars?
The most recent war that we know of was when the Main in TRG2 killed the queen. So, perhaps he fought in a war before that?
That is unlikely, from all the references it seems that the Nameless One fought in the war which took place during TRPG2, not earlier (especially as he is quite old, and I doubt he could've participated much in any earlier conflicts, as several decades passed before TSoG took place).
A lot seems to indicate at David: inability to save parents, good scanning (or, rather, anti-scanning) abilities, his knowledge of how to teach different elemental attacks, him being in TRPG2.
i agree it had to have been the shadowling spiggurat war he preticipated in and he fits the bill better than anyone else i can think of
Isn't the shadow war all the way in the begging when the main had to save David? And I don't recall him ever fighting in the shadow war.
The TRPG2 Hero was very involved in the Shadow War (http://telepath.wikia.com/wiki/Shadowling_Civil_War).
The Hero stole the plans for the Empire to develope Energy Golems, destroyed the enemy Golem Factory, saved Darkeye, defeated the spriggat leader, est.
Another clue could be the fact he is wearing a blackcape.
Right now, there's not enough information to distinguish between David and the Main from TRPG2. Personally, I like to think s/he is the Main, but that's just me. David and the Main are quite similar (young admittants to Psy Academy, powerful Psy abilities, involved in Shadowling/Spriggat Wars), so it is unclear who is the Nameless One.
I´m pretty sure that Nameless One is a man. Or at least he/she has a beard. ;D
Quote from: FlyingFinn on May 27, 2010, 08:40:45 AM
I´m pretty sure that Nameless One is a man. Or at least he/she has a beard. ;D
I think that's supposed to be regular long hair coming down the other side of the Nameless One's head. ;)
Oops. :D Well, it could be...
Indeed. We aren't really supposed to tell who the Nameless One is, yet. We can speculate, even narrow it down, but we really can't know.
I like to think that he is the main; it would be disappointing if he didn't at least feature, but the evidence does seem to point to David.
There's actually something about this on Telepath RPG's Wild Mass Guessing Page (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/TelepathRPG) on TV Tropes.
I'm also of the opinion that he's the main character from the first Telepath RPG. Seems to make the most sense, but Craig will probably make him something completely unexpected anyway.
He is most definitely Piter.
No seriously. Didn't Craig say something that disqualified the Main? Like he was from TrPG2 but not TRPG1? Or am I just really confused and/or too lazy to check?
Well, Piter was in TRPG 1
And Craig has (to my knowledge) said nothing of the sort
I was just kidding about Piter. And I think it was on the old forums.
Quote from: Bromtaghon on June 06, 2010, 07:26:51 PM
He is most definitely Piter.
No seriously. Didn't Craig say something that disqualified the Main? Like he was from TrPG2 but not TRPG1? Or am I just really confused and/or too lazy to check?
Craig said the Nameless One is from "TRPG2". Some people illogically interpreted this as the character only being in TRPG2 and not TRPG1.
Thanks for clearing that up. Personally I believe its the main (which would fit the name of 'Nameless One' and also the as-of-now ambiguous gender.)
I think hes Gandalf (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRcMVMeXPQ4&feature=related)
Maybe it's Piter. He was someone we'd met before, he's not prominent, and he could have spent so much time learning Psi techniques that he could teach others while barely being able to do them himself.
Old veteran of the Shadow War... hm... it could fit!
Quote from: Bugfartboy on October 20, 2010, 10:31:55 PM
Maybe it's Piter. He was someone we'd met before, he's not prominent, and he could have spent so much time learning Psi techniques that he could teach others while barely being able to do them himself.
Piter was a blue cape by the end of the TRPG2, so I doubt he was veteran of the Shadow War.
How do you know he didn't serve as a behind the scenes medic?
Where'd you get that info? Not challenging it, I would just want to know more stuff like it, and know where to find.
Quote from: im2smart4u on October 21, 2010, 05:18:24 PM
Quote from: Bugfartboy on October 20, 2010, 10:31:55 PM
Maybe it's Piter. He was someone we'd met before, he's not prominent, and he could have spent so much time learning Psi techniques that he could teach others while barely being able to do them himself.
Piter was a blue cape by the end of the TRPG2, so I doubt he was veteran of the Shadow War.
I agree, as Piter didn't do any fighting, or, any that I've seen, so he couldn't be a veteran of anything.
Quote from: Bugfartboy on October 21, 2010, 05:22:20 PM
How do you know he didn't serve as a behind the scenes medic?
Anya proved that skilled healers could become black capes. Since Piter was still a blue cape, he was not a skilled enough healer to become a veteran of anything.
Quote from: hellboy222 on March 19, 2010, 04:08:49 PM
lets put together all we know about the nameless one 1:he fought in the shadow wars 2: he is someone we know is there anything else?
he is someone we saw, but not neccessarily 'know'.
Personally, it would satisfy me to think that the Nameless One is the hero, and I'd like to put that thought onto my novel.
Well, if it were David or Guy, for example, why would he need to hide his name? He is referred to as "The Nameless One"
The TRPG1&2 Hero had no name at all, his parents died when he was little, and he was powerful enough to destroy the Shadowling Queen.
I don't think there is anyone in the game likely to know all the skills taught, except Hero. I mean, will all his experience he could easily have seen backstab used, or even the bow attacks.
I dont see why David would hide his name, or why he would even have been in Ravinale.
I suspect that it's Guy: look at the beard (age, gender), the skin tone (narrows it down further), and the color of the beard (the beard is a silvery colour, and is thick, as opposed to the Hero's red and thin curly locks, which one might think would eventually go to baldness or continue to be thin hair). This means the Nameless One is male and 60-80, isn't white (like the Hero was), and probably had dark hair.
All of these point somewhat to Guy.
My personal reason for not believing its Guy is that the Trainer is calm and rational in his thoughts, where as Guy seems a bit headstrong, if not childish sometimes. Although, anything is possible really.
Biggest Twist of Them All. The Nameless One is just some random powerful Psy, not David/Guy/Main (TRPG).
I had a chat with Craig about this topic, he said he knew from day 1 which character from TRPG2 would be the nameless one. No comment on who it really was
Yeah I saw that on FB. He's right.
Quote from: Deagonx on July 10, 2011, 09:44:25 PM
I had a chat with Craig about this topic, he said he knew from day 1 which character from TRPG2 would be the nameless one. No comment on who it really was
Its starting to make me think its the old hero's old man.
Quote from: Dullahan on July 18, 2011, 03:43:53 AMQuote from: Deagonx on July 10, 2011, 09:44:25 PMI had a chat with Craig about this topic, he said he knew from day 1 which character from TRPG2 would be the nameless one. No comment on who it really was
Its starting to make me think its the old hero's old man.
The TRPG2 Hero's father wan't in TRPG2, so it is not possible for him to be the Nameless One.