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Title: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Duskling on March 17, 2011, 07:40:53 PM
We've all heard about it, the 2012 doomsday theory, what do you think about this? Will we all die next year, or is this just another Y2K?
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Steelfist on March 18, 2011, 08:42:04 AM
I doubt it, personally.

Sure, it's a significant date if you think that the fact that- what was it? - the Ancient Mayans(?) calender ended on that date is significant Something like that. Sure, there are some coincidences in 'prophecies'. But it just doesn't sound like enough to support such an implausable theory.

But really, does anyone actually believe in this?
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Ertxiem on March 18, 2011, 11:23:19 AM
Nope. It's just another theory based on zero scientific facts.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: MikeW781 on March 18, 2011, 01:38:12 PM
No, and I'm gonna really enjoy watching all the idiots running around crazy the day before because they think the world will end.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Duskling on March 18, 2011, 04:39:11 PM
So then, all who have seen this so far agree that this is just another Y2K? That the morning of December 22nd, 2012, everyone who believes in this will wake up feeling pretty slow?
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Zackirus on March 18, 2011, 05:18:36 PM
I don't believe it either. Their have been so many "the world is going" to end theories, it's hard to believe in this one.

Dusk: I made a mistake and voted yes instead of no, can you make an option to change your poll vote please.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Duskling on March 18, 2011, 06:05:56 PM
Sorry, I really wish I could, but I don't know how. :(
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Ertxiem on March 19, 2011, 05:08:13 AM
Sorry, I really wish I could, but I don't know how. :(
I edited the poll and allowed the voters to change their mind. :P
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Duskling on March 20, 2011, 03:17:22 PM
Sorry, I really wish I could, but I don't know how. :(
I edited the poll and allowed the voters to change their mind. :P
Many thanks, Ert. :)
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: cyso on March 20, 2011, 05:32:24 PM
Wow, I guess no one trust the Mayans!
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Duskling on March 20, 2011, 06:10:53 PM
Wow, I guess no one trust the Mayans!
Their calender is what supports these theories in any way, but there is no clear indication why it stopped there, some say it's not the end of the world, but, on the contrary, the start of some new age.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: cyso on March 20, 2011, 06:16:27 PM
Maybe they thought they had plenty of time to continue the calender later.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Steelfist on March 21, 2011, 12:46:19 PM
Having done some research, I found that this theory originated with a woman who claimed that she had an implant in her brain which allowed her to be contacted by aliens. The aliens had warned her that a planet (Nibiru, or planet X. No proof of the existence of this planet has been found) would pass close to the planet earth or even collide, more or less destroying the planet. The date set was originally 2003, but was altered, presumably after the planet failed to show.

And that is the main theory behind 2012: Doomsday! Any takers?
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Xemadus Echina on June 24, 2011, 08:22:44 PM
2012 is supposed to be the solar maximum (though the experts are saying that will now be in 2013) the Mayan calendar ends in 2012 because they ran out of space on the rock (obviously)... it actually ends because the long count calendar (what we just call the Mayan calendar) is not cyclical, and is in fact linear, and 2012 (proper noun) is the date that we enter the age of Aquarius (or is is Pieces?) also in 2012 we are due for a magnetic shift (magnetic north pole and magnetic south pole switch) and this either causes, or is accompanied by (or they're both separate events, I don't remember exactly) a flip of the mantle which is supposed to cause increased earthquake and volcanic activity.  Planet X is just a myth.  There is no evidence that it exists in the form that doomsayers claim.  I think there were a few other things but this is all I can remember off the top of my head.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Duskling on June 24, 2011, 08:24:30 PM
2012 is supposed to be the solar maximum (though the experts are saying that will now be in 2013) the Mayan calendar ends in 2012 because they ran out of space on the rock (obviously)... it actually ends because the long count calendar (what we just call the Mayan calendar) is not cyclical, and is in fact linear, and 2012 (proper noun) is the date that we enter the age of Aquarius (or is is Pieces?) also in 2012 we are due for a magnetic shift (magnetic north pole and magnetic south pole switch) and this either causes, or is accompanied by (or they're both separate events, I don't remember exactly) a flip of the mantle which is supposed to cause increased earthquake and volcanic activity.  Planet X is just a myth.  There is no evidence that it exists in the form that doomsayers claim.  I think there were a few other things but this is all I can remember off the top of my head.
Bold part: *Facepalm.*
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: ArtDrake on June 28, 2011, 06:09:23 PM
Magnetic pole switch? Really?
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: SmartyPants on June 28, 2011, 08:15:52 PM
The Mayans weren't clever enough to invent the wheel or predict their own doom, so why should I take thier theory serous?
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Xemadus Echina on June 28, 2011, 10:46:23 PM
Yea and there's proof of it happening around the mid atlantic rift.  Theres a rock called magnetite (and maybe something else, it's been awhile since i read the article) and the crystals point north like the needles of a compass.  It goes in bands,in one band the crystals point north, in the next band the crystals point south and the pattern repeats itself. 
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: ArtDrake on June 28, 2011, 10:49:39 PM
You know, when I was in marching band, we tended to point East and West, but I've heard it both ways.

And im2smart4u, when you call the Mayans out on their lack of cleverness, please do try to spell "their" correctly.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: SmartyPants on June 29, 2011, 12:12:02 AM
The magnetic poles have switched throughout earth's history without bringing doomsday to the earth.

Plus, I doubt the credibility of your sources, articles, and "experts".  Show me a legitimate link and I might take this more serious.


Sorry for all the errors.  It is hard to focus with little sleep.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Xemadus Echina on June 29, 2011, 02:42:47 PM

I don't remember exactly where it was I heard about all of these, most likely I heard about them from a variety of sources, but you can simply Google them and I'm sure you'll find more concrete facts.  As for whether or not your belief in the matter matters to me, well take a look at your last few posts.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Xemadus Echina on June 29, 2011, 06:52:04 PM
I'm sorry, I said "google it" assuming you had enough common sense to know to use discretion when searching through google.  I guess common sense isn't as common as I thought.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: SmartyPants on June 29, 2011, 08:41:59 PM
I don't remember exactly where it was I heard about all of these, most likely I heard about them from a variety of sources, but you can simply Google them and I'm sure you'll find more concrete facts.
Your friends' hearsay and wikipedia aren't legitimate sources.  I did search google and found a tone of bogus ".com" sites and one legitimate website (http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-guest.html) that says "2012 Doomsday Theroy" is a myth.

Next time, do your own research, so you actually know what you are talking about.  Maybe then, you can made a good argument instead of childishly trying to attack my credibility by pointing out typos.  The time you took to upload a picture of a "ligament", you could have read and understood an article about 2012's doomsday theory.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Xemadus Echina on June 29, 2011, 09:34:04 PM
I'm sorry.  You apparently don't understand the fact that when I posted that stuff about what's happening in 2012, I clearly stated, multiple times, that I don't remember where I saw it, I don't remember if it's all 100% accurate, and well that's pretty much it.

And for your information, if any of my friends were actually smart enough to list any of the things i mentioned, I would probably interact with that person on an intellectual level instead of just letting lose and doing whatever it is i want, no matter how moronic i may feel.

You either choose to ignore the fact that I mentioned that my information may not be accurate, and the source of such information is unknown, (frankly, I find it irrelevant on the grounds that this is a game based forum) or you, like others before you, are just obsessed with constantly throwing out everything I say or do on an intellectual level. In which case I say, welcome back Presentiment.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: ArtDrake on June 29, 2011, 09:50:48 PM
im2smart4u:
Most children are the ones responsible for said typos, and don't tend to call one another out on it. Except for certain anatidane forum users.

However, your credibility could be enhanced if you took the time to prevent spelling and grammatical errors -- that said, I should like to remark that if this truly were the end of the world in 2012, I should think that more deities or cultures might have spoken up about it.

raisin:
He does understand, and it clearly focusing on this; you apparently lack an understanding of the great importance assigned to credibility by the forum member whom you address.

Concerning your second sentence, some context, grammatical correctness, and a cease to the disrespect directed at your friends all might go a long way in the reasonable discussion.

Next, I wish to point out that you state the points you do as facts and correct premises for your argument (or quarrel) with im2smart4u, but then insist that they cannot be taken as fact. This, frankly, is a coward's tactic. You would accept winning the argument, were you to do so, but were you to lose, you would most likely immediately choose to deny any credibility of your statements, and, irritatingly, you do so all throughout the argument when these shoddy factoids are flatly contradicted by reliable sources.

And to conclude, I shall enquire as to why im2smart4u might "welcome back Presentiment." The notorious flamer/spammer is not returning, and were he to, he should be most unwelcome.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: SmartyPants on June 30, 2011, 12:14:56 AM
im2smart4u:
Most children are the ones responsible for said typos, and don't tend to call one another out on it. Except for certain anatidane forum users.

However, your credibility could be enhanced if you took the time to prevent spelling and grammatical errors -- that said, I should like to remark that if this truly were the end of the world in 2012, I should think that more deities or cultures might have spoken up about it.
You got me there, but you guys could cut me some slack.  I shouldn't be taunted for typos when I only slept 4 hours the night before I posted.

I'm sorry.  You apparently don't understand the fact that when I posted that stuff about what's happening in 2012, I clearly stated, multiple times, that I don't remember where I saw it, I don't remember if it's all 100% accurate, and well that's pretty much it.
I point out that you don't know what you are talking about, so you counterpoint by further clarifying that you don't know what you are talking about?  I don't even know how to respond to that.

Next, I wish to point out that you state the points you do as facts and correct premises for your argument (or quarrel) with im2smart4u, but then insist that they cannot be taken as fact. This, frankly, is a coward's tactic. You would accept winning the argument, were you to do so, but were you to lose, you would most likely immediately choose to deny any credibility of your statements, and, irritatingly, you do so all throughout the argument when these shoddy factoids are flatly contradicted by reliable sources.
Well put.  You would have just won my vote in "Best Debator?" if I could change my vote.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Deagonx on July 07, 2011, 02:13:33 AM
I took the time to google a few keywords thrown around by Rainen


The idea of a magnetic pole switch has apparently been a 'doomsday' phenomenon over a few recent years.

In truth (Or atleast, according to NASA) the magnetic pole switch is not going to happen to earth in 2012, but rather the sun will have its magnetic poles switched.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: ArtDrake on July 07, 2011, 01:10:38 PM
I don't suppose you could cite NASA on that, could you. The URL of the page on which that is stated?
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Deagonx on July 07, 2011, 02:39:02 PM
I don't suppose you could cite NASA on that, could you. The URL of the page on which that is stated?

Yes, here is a link to their official website.

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2001/ast15feb_1/
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: ArtDrake on July 07, 2011, 09:42:10 PM
Thank you.

But it does that every decade or so, and it hasn't ended the world so far.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Deagonx on July 07, 2011, 10:11:57 PM
I understand that, I was merely adding perspective to Rainen's vague memory.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Ertxiem on July 08, 2011, 07:30:14 PM
Nope. The world hasn't ended. And I doubt that the Sun magnetic field flipping will end the world, since it is as strong as a fridge magnet (as is stated in the link above). I, sometimes, change my fridge magnets from place to place and the world hasn't ended... yet... :)
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: SmartyPants on July 09, 2011, 08:39:18 AM
Most of the people who believe in the doosday theory are conspiracist.  It is the same people who believe Osama and Obama worked together to boost Obama popularity numbers by having Osama fake his dealth.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: ArtDrake on July 09, 2011, 09:01:51 AM
And the rest are religious zealots.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Deagonx on July 09, 2011, 12:52:18 PM
Well, do you actually KNOW anyone that believes the world is going to end?


I mean, if you dont, how do you know they are religious, or against Obama?
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: ArtDrake on July 10, 2011, 02:22:25 PM
The internet. Presumably, people don't maintain server costs to express a view they don't even support.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: SmartyPants on July 10, 2011, 06:43:41 PM
The internet. Presumably, people don't maintain server costs to express a view they don't even support.
They do that all the time.  Most websites only care about selling adds.  The more people view thier website, the more money they can charge per add.  To sell adds, people put a tone of crap that don't believe in online.  I have a friend who created a fashion suggesting website for girls even though he probably still has his mom dress him.  Addwise, he is earning alot for very little work.  Long story short: don't believe people are who they say they are on the internet.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: ArtDrake on July 10, 2011, 06:45:15 PM
Okay, good. No one actually believes the 2012 thing; they're just faking to make money.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: SmartyPants on July 11, 2011, 09:34:29 AM
If the site is a ".net", ".org" or ".edu", then they are not selling adds.  They are just crazy paranoid.
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: ArtDrake on July 11, 2011, 11:23:58 AM
".net"s and ".org"s actually can have advertisements. Take a look at sinister design's old page; it had Google Ads links all over.

(And advertisments don't have a second "d" in them, so it would help me out a bit if you would please call them "ads")
Title: Re: The Doomsday Theory
Post by: Xemadus Echina on July 16, 2011, 06:45:17 PM
Don't forget the group who believes that the world as we know it will change.  Its easily possible that out of fear somebody screws up horribly in 2012 which then sets of a chain reactions leading to a major catastrophe.  It is also easily possible that a collection of events could happen simultaneously which, even though these events are meaningless on their own, stack up to cause something meaningful to happen.

I.E. the earth's magnetic field being weakened while the sun is at a solar maximum might end up with a large solar flare being shot off right at the Earth. With a weakened magnetic field it could potentially punch right through causing damage to the world's electrical grid.

Yes, I know how slim the chances are of such an event happening. You don't need to comment on that.