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Show posts MenuQuote from: CraigStern on January 12, 2012, 08:47:30 AMHonestly, it is speculation in this case. I know for a fact that she organized a split vote for the debt ceiling deal and a couple of other bill, but haven't read anything for this bill. Since the Democratic vote exactly 93 to 93 and this bill is very controversial, I just assumed that Pelosi did what she usually does. Also, Democratic congressmen have become more united and disciplined after the last midterm election.Quote from: SmartyPants on January 11, 2012, 10:37:41 PMNancy Pelosi always organizes Demcratic congressmen to split the their vote for controversial bills. She does it so Democrats can say they weren't for or against a bill.Do you have a source for that? It doesn't seem impossible, mind you, but given how undisciplined Democratic Congresspeople have historically tended to be, I'd be surprised if Pelosi had the ability to pull something like that, much less do it consistently.
Quote from: CraigStern on January 11, 2012, 12:24:24 PMI think it's appalling. A small smattering of senators from both parties voted no in the Senate, but otherwise the support for it was pretty much uniform. In the House, Democrats were split down the middle and the strong majority of Republicans voted for it. Regardless of party affiliation, I am extremely disappointed by everyone involved in approving that bill.Does it help that Obama said he has "serious reservations" about signing the law and that he promised that he would never use it? I am sure that the provision about indefinite imprisonment will be removed later just like how guantanamo bay was closed.
Quote from: CraigStern on January 11, 2012, 12:24:24 PMIn the House, Democrats were split down the middle.You know that is intentional? Nancy Pelosi always organizes Demcratic congressmen to split the their vote for controversial bills. She does it so Democrats can say they weren't for or against a bill.
Quote from: bugfartboy on January 11, 2012, 06:09:30 PMThat's a small relief. I'm curious. Do you think that there's any way that this could avoid being ruled as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court?It seems difficult to get to the Supreme Court without a trial.
Quote from: Duckling on January 08, 2012, 10:19:34 PMIt looks like what SmartyPants is saying is that lump sums of money encourage growth, which increases revenue;No, that is not what I am saying. Like Craig said, investments do not change demand. Investments do however help businesses increase supply. Despite the recession, demand for some goods and services has increased. Investments help businesses grow, but growing a business only works if there is more demand then the current supply. So investing in a shrinking industry will not create jobs, but investing in a growing industry will. For example, demand for solar panels has decreased in recent years, so investing in a solar panel factory will not create jobs. On the other hand, demand for oil is still higher the current supply, so investing in a pipeline that increase oil production will create jobs. If you want to look at an anti-investment approach, look at Venezuela. After Chavez scared off foreign investors, his country has not been able to raise the money to increase oil production, so the Venezuela economy is stagnating instead of growing.
Quote from: Duckling on January 08, 2012, 10:19:34 PMIf I may take the liberty of assuming your arguments reflect those commonly held by members of the political parties you seem to affiliate yourselves with, it would seem that the Republican approach focuses more on promoting bold, risky enterprise that not everyone can pull off, but which may blossom into great success; on the other hand, the Democratic approach would seem to be more about giving the masses sufficient income that a prospective entrepreneur might not risk all in his or her attempt to rise to success, and have a good shot at some measure of achievement whether or not he or she can ever become truly great.You basicly described Republicans as capitalist and democratics as socialist. You are correct that Republicans believe in a free market where the best earn more money. The way you describe Democrats seem incorrect. There are socialist in the Democratic party like there are libertarians in the Republicans party, but most Democratics also believe in free market. The major difference between the two parites is that Republicans prefer to increase economic prosperity and growth, while Democrats prefer to increase economic equality.
Quote from: Duckling on January 08, 2012, 10:22:01 PMOf course: there's nothing wrong with being the 1%.For a college humor video, that was pretty disappointing. I don't care that all their facts are incorrect, yet I do care that the video was boring and corny. The premise is funny, but it seems to be poorly done.
Quote from: Duckling on January 08, 2012, 09:58:43 PMSo I could see where both sides were coming from, right up until the part where SmartyPants was saying that presidents shouldn't behave like politicians. That's silly, from my point of view.The president is suppose to act like a leader and be above the partisan bickering. Unlike his predecessors, Obama participates in the partisan bickering instead of trying to bring the parties together.
Quote from: CraigStern on January 09, 2012, 05:27:43 PMLet's take a trip down memory lane! You may recall that, at the point that health care was on the table, Democrats controlled the White House as well as both houses of Congress. Even with that, Obama still decided to try to compromise with Republicans. And who could forget when Obama scuttled the public option over the vehement protests of his own base?Obama didn't compromise with Republicans. Obama original health care plan was so far to the left that he couldn't get many members of his own party to vote for it. Obama had to compromise with other Democrats (not with any Republicans) to get Democrats to vote for it.
Quote from: CraigStern on January 09, 2012, 05:27:43 PMMaybe next time you should have pick the non-bais source first. Also, the increase in fillibusters is because of the increase in partisan bills. Previous presidents usually bring bipartisan bills to the floor, but times have changed. Bill Clinton was willing to work with Newt Gingrich because they are both moderates. On the other hand, Obama isn't willing to work with Republicans because his beliefs are too far to the left to compromise with the right.Quote from: SmartyPants on January 07, 2012, 01:38:58 AMB) You linked "filibustering nearly every single attempt at fixing the economy" to article from a bias source.That table is a visualization of data from the Senate. See for yourself. Unless you think the Senate is doctoring its own numbers on procedural vote counts, I think you have to concede that filibustering is much more prevalent these past three years than it has been at any other time for which such numbers are available in our history.
Quote from: CraigStern on January 09, 2012, 05:27:43 PMRepublican strategists were quite vocal about this fact, with Senator Jim DeMint stating that he wanted health care to be Obama's "Waterloo." If you have some sort of source that suggests that Obama made no compromises and the Republicans were willing to negotiate, now would be a good time for you to cite one.I never even heard of Jim Demint before. How does he represent all of the congressional Republicans? I once read that a congresswomen (I can't remember her name) who once said that she wants to make drunk driving legal after 4am because she believes everyone is drunk at that time already. Even though she is a Democrat, I don't believe her stance is shared by the colleagues in her party.
Quote from: CraigStern on January 09, 2012, 05:27:43 PMAnd let's not forget the debt ceiling fiasco, and Boehner threatening to shut down the government, and so on and so on.I know some Republicans threatened to shut down the government, but I don't remember Boehner saying that himself. I do remember Obama threatening to veto anything that didn't increase taxes. Republicans were willing to increase the debt ceiling if there were spending cuts. How big the spending cut would be and where they would take place was up for negotiations. The brinkmanship problem came when Obama said he would shut down the government if there weren't tax increases, while many congressional Republicans refused to increases taxes. In the end Obama backed down on increasing taxes, while Republicans agreed to cut only a small amount (the cuts weren't even big enough to cover the interest we pay on the national debt).
Quote from: CraigStern on January 09, 2012, 05:27:43 PMSimply, Republicans in Congress have set a new historical bar for obstructionism during Obama's presidency. That is not a matter of debate: the numbers are right here. I suppose you could argue that they did so with good intentions, but we're talking about whether it's okay for Democrats to call them radical.That is more politcal b.s. While Republicans disagree on a bill because they don't think it is best for the country, the Democrats spin that as them being "obstuctionist". Before even trying to offer a concession to Republicans, Obama starts making speaches on how Republicans are obstuctionist. The one time that I remember that Obama did things correctly was with extending the bush tax cuts. At first, Obama told Republicans that he was willing to extend tax cuts for the middle class, if Republicans would allow him to extend unemployment benefits. Republicans told him "no" because Obama couldn't even get moderate Democrats to agee to letting the tax cuts expire. Then, Obama finally gave Republicans an offer that can be taken seriously. Republicans agreed that they would extend unemployment benifts for the third time in exchange for Democrats agreeing to extend the Bush tax cuts for everyone. Of course, extending tax cuts for everyone alienated Obama's strong support from the far left. To appease his far left supporters, Obama has refused to conceded anything ever since.
Quote from: Gath on January 07, 2012, 10:11:52 AMThe votes in the Iowa Caucus determine my view. Yes, libertarians have gotten more vocal, but with a huge number of young republicans voting libertarian, it doesn't seem like a passing thing.When Ron Paul drops out of the race, we probably won't see the libertaiians nearly as much.
Quote from: Gath on January 07, 2012, 10:11:52 AMAs do some republicans. Failure to acknowledge the good points and flaws of both sides will lead to bias. Some democrats make misleading comments, as do some republicans. Even Mitt Romney does it. So yes, your post implied that all democrats lie, which is certainly not true. It's a problem, but a problem that is shared equally by both sides.Your article claims that the Romney add has Obama saying "If we keep talking about the economy, were going to lose, while Obama really said Senator McCains campaign actually said, and I quote, if we keep talking about the economy, were going to lose. I find it ironic, because I remember that the 2008 McCain campaign accused Obama of lying for putting those exact words in thier mouths.
Quote from: CraigStern on January 06, 2012, 08:49:28 AMThere is a reason why Congressional Republicans (not all Republicans, mind you--just the ones representing the party in Congress) are widely looked upon as radicals. Mitch McConnell, head of the Republicans in the Senate, infamously remarked that, in the face of all our national problems, his number one priority was not to solve them, but rather to make Obama a one-term president. Congressional Republicans then followed this up by filibustering nearly every single attempt at fixing the economy, betting that voters would blame Obama when the economy failed to improve. And who could forget the debt ceiling disaster? John Boehner just kept walking away from good faith negotiations over and over again, dragging us to the brink of defaulting on our international obligations.A) Democrats and the mainstream media always bring up the comment from Mitch McConnell (a Senator) about how he wants Obama out of office. Even when the Senate approves a bill and House Republicans don't, the mainstream media implies that the Senator is obstructing in the House.
Quote from: CraigStern on January 06, 2012, 08:49:28 AMI know you identify with the Republicans, so maybe it's hard for you to see it, but for someone viewing this from outside the GOP tent, these things really make the current crop of Republicans in Congress look like cynical, power-hungry jackals willing to scuttle the US economy for a shot at reclaiming the White House. "Radical" is just a more succinct way of putting it.My point exactly. Because of the propaganda from the liberal fear mongers, people mistakenly believe that Republicans are trying to destroy the economy to get out Obama out office, while in reality they are trying to be fiscally conservative by trying to stop tax increases and deficit spending. Like Glenn Beck, the Democratic leaders are taking a speck of truth and turning into a ridiculous conspiracy.
Quote from: Gath on January 06, 2012, 10:35:10 PMI'm expecting a split republican vote between Romney as the candidate and Paul as a third party candidate. The only incumbent who hasn't won in the past twenty-five years was George Bush I, and that was only because Ross Peirot decided to run.I am assuming/hoping that Ron Paul is smart enough to not hand the election over to Obama by running as a third party canidate.
Quote from: Gath on January 06, 2012, 10:35:10 PMYour point being? They voted for him because they believed he was a libertarian. Regardless of what Paul believes, that means the Republican party is shifting to more libertarian views.I don't think the Republicans are more libertarian then they were pre-Obama. Libertarians have become more vocal and active in politics recently, because they have become so angry at Obama for trying to move the country towards socialism and by him trying to increase the deficit.
Quote from: Gath on January 06, 2012, 10:35:10 PMSorry, but this post seems a bit biased to me. It's hard to have a debate when someone accuses the entire other side of using b.s. I'm going to say the same thing that I say to everyone who thinks a certain party is 'lying'I have seen/read that Barack Obama, Debbie Shultz, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid make misleading, false comments with the obvious purpose of scoring political points. It is possible that there are other Democrats who having accused the Republican party of being hijacked by radicals, but they don't tend to be heard as much in the news.
Quote from: Gath on January 06, 2012, 10:35:10 PMGet out of the competitive spirit, and consider the possibility that most politicians are genuinely working for the good of the nation. Both the party you support and the other party.I have considered that "most politicians are genuinely working for the good of the nation", but I rejected that after years of reading political news. Most politicians will work for the good of the country as long as it doesn't get in the way of their reelection chances. There are a few politicians such as Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul who will risk not being reelected to do what they believe is right, but they are rare. Let's take Obama's American Jobs Act as an example. The president introduced the American Jobs Act in a joint session of Congress. Many Republicans were cautiously optimistic after hearing the speech, because the speech preached partisan ideas such as infrastructure spending and said the plan would be fully paid for. Even though Obama mentioned some exclusively Democratic ideas such as extending unemployment for a third time, Obama's speech said he was willing to compromise. His speech conveniently left out that he wanted to fund the bill by raising taxes on the rich by not allowing them to get tax breaks for charitable contributions. By wanting to permanently raise taxes, Obama clearly didn't expect Republicans to allow the bill to be passed and only wanted to use the bill for his reelection campaign. Obama then left Washington D.C. (where he and Republican can negotiate on a compromise), so he use go to almost exclusively swing states and use bill as an excuse to start his reelection campaign. This is one of many examples of Obama playing politics instead of governing.