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Forum Games / Re: Corrupt a Wish Foundation
« on: March 12, 2011, 03:00:26 PM »
Granted. It explodes in your bed room and burns down your house.
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Forum Games / Re: Corrupt a Wish Foundation
« on: March 12, 2011, 12:02:28 PM »
I don't, I blame Craig and hack the forums, causing them to crash.
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General Discussion / Re: What's your religion?
« on: March 12, 2011, 12:01:07 PM »
Just because someone launches a war in the name of a religion doesn't mean it is religiously justified. I don't think the word "crusade" appears in the Bible.
Okay. I'm going to quote this verse again. Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
You don't get into heaven because you don't sin. If that were the case, no one would get into heaven. Sin isn't violating your moral compass, it is violating God's law and living your life apart from him. It is ignoring God and telling him that you don't want to listen to him. As Christians, we still sin. This is a quote from some Christian (I forgot his name) as best I remember it.
The difference between a Christian and a Non-Christian is not that one has no sins and the other does, but that one takes part with a reconciled God against his sins while the other takes part with his sins against a dreaded God.
When a Christian gets to heaven, their sinful nature is completely erased so there will be no sin.
You are basically asking how God can be good if there is so much evil in the world. God could have gotten rid of the evil in the very beginning by killing Adam and Eve and starting over. He wages of sin are death. But he didn't. Why? I can guess. Despite all of the terrible things that go on, God uses them to accomplish something good. In the story of Joseph in Genesis, Joseph's brothers sold him as a slave. In the end, Joseph ended up saving several people from a famine. He then says at the end, "You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives." A good (or terrible, maybe) example of this would be the Holocaust. Despite how horrible that was, God used that to cause Israel to be reformed as a nation, like predicted in Ezekiel a lot earlier. It isn't exactly pleasant to think about it, but God can and will use terrible things to get stuff done. If he didn't, he wouldn't have anything to use at all.
The other part of the guess is that God's plan is to make the best possible ending. So, no matter how bad things are now, things will be okay in the end.
The last part of your post reminds me of a testimony I heard from someone in my youth group. Their life had been very bad. I won't go into all the details, but it included drugs, depression, and suicide attempts. I haven't said the worst of it, and I'm not going to. They are a Christian now. Their testimony is that, no matter how bad things get, God can help you still.
If our lives were always wonderful, then we wouldn't see our need for God. We would be content to live/die as we were.
What if a man or woman was the most atrocious person to have ever lived, but they didn't care?
What if they thought everything they did was right, and they were a Christian, and they prayed, and they worshipped, and they obeyed the commandments, and they never committed a deadly sin. What then, if they, throughout their whole life, wronged people to the greatest extent, while simply thinking themselves shrewd, or impassive, or oblivious?
What if they never defied their moral compass once, with no sin because they had no concept of good or evil, because they never had been told that the things they did were evil, wrong, atrocious; or maybe they had been told, but their faith blinded them, leading them to believe they were only working in the service of their Lord? No sin. God would have to let him or her in through the pearly gates, and everyone would know him or her, and they would recoil in fear of the awful person they knew in life whom they swore would not follow them into death. And "Heaven" would be as Hell. Fear, chaos, evil, lies would spread through the promised land above, and this merciless scourge without sin would leave hate and loathing where he went.
Now consider the opposite case. A man or woman learns of wrongs and rights, but they a Jew, a Muslim, a Buddhist, a Taoist, a Confucianist, an aborigine with tribal beliefs. They live their life as best they can, and they go to Hell. This is why I don't like the message Christianity tries to get across, and for other reasons, too.
And punctuate your sentences correctly, will you? It's hard to read when you don't.
Okay. I'm going to quote this verse again. Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
You don't get into heaven because you don't sin. If that were the case, no one would get into heaven. Sin isn't violating your moral compass, it is violating God's law and living your life apart from him. It is ignoring God and telling him that you don't want to listen to him. As Christians, we still sin. This is a quote from some Christian (I forgot his name) as best I remember it.
The difference between a Christian and a Non-Christian is not that one has no sins and the other does, but that one takes part with a reconciled God against his sins while the other takes part with his sins against a dreaded God.
When a Christian gets to heaven, their sinful nature is completely erased so there will be no sin.
If there is a god, his actions throughout the centuries have not earned him my worship, but my enmity. If there is a god, he has allowed his holy teachings to be debased, misused and distorted. If there is a god, he is a murderer - a genocidal maniac who has committed more evil than any demon in the name of a passing fancy!
Why are we supposed to worship him merely for creating us, then proceeding to fill our lives with suffering and pain? If he is real, he is not perfect, but more flawed than any human.
You are basically asking how God can be good if there is so much evil in the world. God could have gotten rid of the evil in the very beginning by killing Adam and Eve and starting over. He wages of sin are death. But he didn't. Why? I can guess. Despite all of the terrible things that go on, God uses them to accomplish something good. In the story of Joseph in Genesis, Joseph's brothers sold him as a slave. In the end, Joseph ended up saving several people from a famine. He then says at the end, "You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives." A good (or terrible, maybe) example of this would be the Holocaust. Despite how horrible that was, God used that to cause Israel to be reformed as a nation, like predicted in Ezekiel a lot earlier. It isn't exactly pleasant to think about it, but God can and will use terrible things to get stuff done. If he didn't, he wouldn't have anything to use at all.
The other part of the guess is that God's plan is to make the best possible ending. So, no matter how bad things are now, things will be okay in the end.
The last part of your post reminds me of a testimony I heard from someone in my youth group. Their life had been very bad. I won't go into all the details, but it included drugs, depression, and suicide attempts. I haven't said the worst of it, and I'm not going to. They are a Christian now. Their testimony is that, no matter how bad things get, God can help you still.
If our lives were always wonderful, then we wouldn't see our need for God. We would be content to live/die as we were.
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Forum Games / Re: Corrupt a Wish Foundation
« on: March 12, 2011, 10:47:00 AM »
Granted. It's old, moldy, and infected with all sorts of bacteria. You eat it and die.
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Forum Games / Re: The Paste Game
« on: March 01, 2011, 10:00:32 PM »
He said: “I am going to tell you what will happen later in the time of wrath, because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end.[c] 20 The two-horned ram that you saw represents the kings of Media and Persia. 21 The shaggy goat is the king of Greece, and the large horn between its eyes is the first king. 22 The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power.
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Random Projects / Re: Telepath RPG Wiki
« on: March 01, 2011, 09:16:05 PM »If you see make a mistake, then correct it yourself.Sorry, but my computer doesn't always cooperate with me, so I'm having some difficulty getting on the wiki now. I don't think I'll get around to correcting it for a while.
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Politics / Re: Post your theological argument here.
« on: March 01, 2011, 09:10:32 PM »
Since you guys have been begging for some evidence for the Bible...
The biggest evidence for the Bible would probably be the prophecies. Some of them include this one from Deuteronomy 28.
Moreover, the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth; and there you shall serve other gods, wood and stone, which you or your fathers have not known.
This was written in Deuteronomy, which is as old as Moses was. The writer would have to have been incredibly lucky to correctly predict the scattering of the Jews (in the Diaspora about 1800 years later).
Another one also from Deuteronomy:
You who were as numerous as the stars in the sky will be left but few in number, because you did not obey the Lord you God.
I admit, it wouldn't be too incredibly lucky for someone to correctly predict that.
Another one, from Daniel 2:
After you (Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon) another kingdom will rise (the Persians), inferior to yours. Next, a third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth (the Greeks under Alexander established an empire over all of the world known to the Babylonians at the time). Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom (Roman Empire), strong as iron-for iron breaks and smashes everything-and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all others. Just as you saw the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom (The Roman Empire divided into two kingdoms); yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay (the Roman empire doesn't exist anymore)
This next one will require a bit of explanation. It is from the book of Daniel. Daniel had seen a really confusing vision. It involved a ram with two horns. A goat with a "prominent horn" between its eyes attacks the ram, breaks its horns, and tramples it. Then, at the height of its power, the goat's large horn is broken off and in its place, four horns grow. Daniel is confused by this. Then, he receives an explanation. The two horned ram represented the kings of Medes and Persia. The goat represented Greece. The large horn of the goat was the first king (the first king over the Greek Empire, Alexander). The four horns were the four kingdoms that emerged after Alexander's death (I think they were the Kingdom of Ptolemy/Soter, the Kingdom of Cassander, the Kingdom of Lysimachus, and the Kingdom of Seleucus/Nicator, but it might be referring to the Antigonid dynasty in Macedon and central Greece, the Ptolemaic dynasty in Egypt based at Alexandria, the Seleucid dynasty in Syria and Mesopotamia based at Antioch, and the Attalid dynasty in Anatolia based at Pergamum).
Here are the verses.
He said: “I am going to tell you what will happen later in the time of wrath, because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end. The two-horned ram that you saw represents the kings of Media and Persia. The shaggy goat is the king of Greece, and the large horn between its eyes is the first king. The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power.
Alexander the Great died about 300 years after Daniel lived.
I could go on for a while. Tell me it you want more.
The biggest evidence for the Bible would probably be the prophecies. Some of them include this one from Deuteronomy 28.
Moreover, the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth; and there you shall serve other gods, wood and stone, which you or your fathers have not known.
This was written in Deuteronomy, which is as old as Moses was. The writer would have to have been incredibly lucky to correctly predict the scattering of the Jews (in the Diaspora about 1800 years later).
Another one also from Deuteronomy:
You who were as numerous as the stars in the sky will be left but few in number, because you did not obey the Lord you God.
I admit, it wouldn't be too incredibly lucky for someone to correctly predict that.
Another one, from Daniel 2:
After you (Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon) another kingdom will rise (the Persians), inferior to yours. Next, a third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth (the Greeks under Alexander established an empire over all of the world known to the Babylonians at the time). Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom (Roman Empire), strong as iron-for iron breaks and smashes everything-and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all others. Just as you saw the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom (The Roman Empire divided into two kingdoms); yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay (the Roman empire doesn't exist anymore)
This next one will require a bit of explanation. It is from the book of Daniel. Daniel had seen a really confusing vision. It involved a ram with two horns. A goat with a "prominent horn" between its eyes attacks the ram, breaks its horns, and tramples it. Then, at the height of its power, the goat's large horn is broken off and in its place, four horns grow. Daniel is confused by this. Then, he receives an explanation. The two horned ram represented the kings of Medes and Persia. The goat represented Greece. The large horn of the goat was the first king (the first king over the Greek Empire, Alexander). The four horns were the four kingdoms that emerged after Alexander's death (I think they were the Kingdom of Ptolemy/Soter, the Kingdom of Cassander, the Kingdom of Lysimachus, and the Kingdom of Seleucus/Nicator, but it might be referring to the Antigonid dynasty in Macedon and central Greece, the Ptolemaic dynasty in Egypt based at Alexandria, the Seleucid dynasty in Syria and Mesopotamia based at Antioch, and the Attalid dynasty in Anatolia based at Pergamum).
Here are the verses.
He said: “I am going to tell you what will happen later in the time of wrath, because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end. The two-horned ram that you saw represents the kings of Media and Persia. The shaggy goat is the king of Greece, and the large horn between its eyes is the first king. The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power.
Alexander the Great died about 300 years after Daniel lived.
I could go on for a while. Tell me it you want more.
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Random Projects / Re: Telepath RPG Wiki
« on: February 27, 2011, 02:41:06 PM »
I just noticed a typo on the Malekahin page. This is the last sentence under the background section.
Malekahin is goes to the armory, Al'Dukkan, in order to protect it from the Resistance.
Malekahin is goes to the armory, Al'Dukkan, in order to protect it from the Resistance.
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General Discussion / Re: What's your religion?
« on: February 27, 2011, 02:31:19 PM »Moral code isn't built in.
I will defend that argument to the death (And beyond, if there is an afterlife).
If somebody did not have a moral code, or had read the bible, and sinned, would they be an evil person? Of course not. As for the whole 'into heaven or hell'; I have been emphatically told by several devout christians that 'Lack of Baptism = Limbo at Best'. Nonetheless, as nobody likes the thought of unfairness, people tend to gloss over this.
Before you think of arguing with the 'lack of moral code' thing, it has been proven that brain disorders can impede the knowledge of right and wrong, and it can be undermined by upbringing. My scenario is perfectly possible.
In addition, don't you think that these people - Muslim, Hindu, etc - KNOW that their own religion is the true one?
Why don't you step back and examine religion with some objectivity? From a neutral standpoint, christianity looks completely absurd. If god is real, he's having a laugh at your expense.
Even if you truly did see Christianity from a neutral standpoint, how you evaluated what you saw would not be neutral. But, I'm sure that from a normal human standpoint, a lot of the things we do may seem ridiculous. I'm sure that from my standpoint, a lot of things that are important to you may seem pointless or ridiculous to me. Just because something seems ridiculous to you doesn't mean it is ridiculous.
You don't go to hell for being an evil person. You go to hell for violating and ignoring God's law. And, like I said before, ignorance of the law does not excuse you from the law. You will still get in trouble for breaking a law you don't know exists in America, and the same applies for God. You would have to be perfect to be exempt from God's punishment. We aren't perfect. I'm not quite sure about this, but I think that most people would agree that they don't always do things perfectly right. You may be morally "better" than someone else, but you still screw up, and you still break God's law. You still turn away from God and do your own thing. You still live apart from God.
You may have been told by Christians that no baptism=limbo at best. I don't have a clue where in the Bible they got the idea of limbo. There is no limbo. They may believe that baptism is required to get into heaven, but that idea is not biblical. I'm not glossing it over. Read the verses that I quoted. They're from the Bible. I'm not quite sure how to get a more direct source than that.
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Forum Games / Re: Corrupt a Wish Foundation
« on: February 24, 2011, 06:55:38 PM »
Granted. Unfortunately, your competition steals your strategy and uses it to great effect before you can. You go bankrupt.
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I wish we weren't all zombies.
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General Discussion / Re: What's your religion?
« on: February 24, 2011, 06:38:07 PM »If you had no way of knowing about Christianity, then what happens, if you haven't sinned, and you die? Limbo?Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
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General Discussion / Re: What's your religion?
« on: February 24, 2011, 06:01:29 PM »
It's best, and it's a way of showing/telling people you are a Christian. However, you don't have to be baptized to be a Christian or go to heaven. When Jesus was dying on the cross, this little exchange went on between the two other men being crucified next to him.
Luke 23:39-43
One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”
But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”
Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”
Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
There was no possible way for the criminal to have been able to be baptized. He died shortly later. But, Jesus still says he will be with him in paradise (heaven).
Luke 23:39-43
One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”
But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”
Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”
Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
There was no possible way for the criminal to have been able to be baptized. He died shortly later. But, Jesus still says he will be with him in paradise (heaven).
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Forum Games / Re: Corrupt a Wish Foundation
« on: February 24, 2011, 05:55:27 PM »
Granted. It's a rock flavored pie, made of rocks, and it lands in your face. See, it would have landed on your face, but it landed at about 700 miles per seconds, so it ended up in your face. You die.
I wish Duskling wasn't dead.
I wish Duskling wasn't dead.
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Forum Games / Re: Corrupt a Wish Foundation
« on: February 23, 2011, 09:11:48 PM »
Granted. The explanation is so complicated you use up all of your time trying to understand it, but you still don't get it.
I wish my school cafeteria would serve Chick-fil-a at lunch.
I wish my school cafeteria would serve Chick-fil-a at lunch.
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General Discussion / Re: What's your religion?
« on: February 23, 2011, 09:07:28 PM »That isn't exactly what I meant. It's one thing to make an honest mistake. I'm talking about saying or doing something that you really shouldn't be saying or doing, but not realizing then that what you are doing is really a bad thing. Something that doesn't look wrong at first, but if you look at it in hindsight, it's wrong.I think you can sin without fully realizing what you are doing. For example, when Jesus was dying, he said "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they are doing." They might have known they were killing an innocent man, but they certainly didn't realize they were killing the son of God. But, Jesus still asked God to forgive them.So then, thinking something is yours because it looks identical to it and taking it is a sin? Killing is a crime and morally wrong altogether, don't get me wrong, but what if a kid sees a lollipop on a counter and just takes it because it looks like nobody wants it? Would that child be a sinner? Would he/she go to Hell because of a mistake?
And as for the child, they wouldn't go to Hell for taking a lollipop by mistake. But, taking a lollipop probably wouldn't be the thing that would cause someone to go to Hell. Living a life apart or away from God, or doing your own thing and turning your back to God, is what would cause someone to go to Hell. It isn't as much of a certain sin, but a way of life.
And, Ducky, there is a verse somewhere where basically, King David's son dies shortly after birth. (King David was, for the most part, a really good king. In one cases, he is described as a man after God's own heart) David mentions that he will see his son again in heaven. So, before a certain age (though I really don't have a clue just how young that age is) you aren't held accountable.