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R.I.P. Steve Jobs

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ArtDrake:
Okay, we didn't forget those things. People still make the "How is Michel Jackson like an Xbox 360?" joke, and Heath Ledger (at least get his name right?) actually died as a direct result of said drugs, so it's not likely we're going to forget about that any time soon.

People that have actual beefs with the departed have kept those beefs right on going -- I really don't see anything out of the ordinary apart from traditional respect for the dead, which stems from religious beliefs that the dead have ongoing influence in our lives [gratuitous link!], but developed into a notion independent of religion and more to be a question of culture. Furthermore, it comes of the commonly held notion that one should not speak ill of others when they cannot defend themselves -- the dead are nothing if not defenseless.

If you want to make sweeping generalizations based on your personal experience, that's fine, but you'll most likely be mistaken.

SmartyPants:
You are the one who keeps focusing on the negative.  I was expecting someone to explain why people would love Steve Jobs, because I just don't see why people always make a big deal about him.  I made a simple point that there is no charitable or virtuous reason to love Jobs, and then you run with it and imply that Jobs deserves a topic called "To Darned Heck With You, You Dastardly Jobs Fellow".

If you really wanted to honor Job's memory, then you would actually attempt to explain the good Jobs has done during his lifetime instead of attacking me and talking about religion.

ArtDrake:
I have explained a couple of the positive attributes about Jobs. I have judiciously contrasted these with some negatives. I have suggested an alternate venue for calling him a "real jerk" if you'd forgotten that you'd done that.

I even went so far as to explain why it is the norm to honor the dead with little regard to the details of their life, something which I inferred that you needed an explanation for, given your exaggeration of this very point -- "I also don't understand why people pretend that after a celebrity dies that they lived completely virtuous lives" -- do not presume that I am trying to derail the conversation.

But on your simple insistence, I shall become even more pertinent than I was before: you already seem to have found all the facts you want to find on the life of Steve Jobs, so this entire exchange is pointless and done.

CraigStern:
Guys: let's not turn this into a series of recriminations, please. Keep it civil.

SmartyPants:
Due to the lack explanations of why so many people idolize Jobs, I am starting to assume that the media has turned Jobs into a celebrity.  Like I don't understand why people love Jobs, I also don't understand the fasciation with the personal life of celebrities like Sarah Jessica Parker, George Clooney, Clint Eastwood, Jay-Z, Beyoncé, Lindsay Lohan, Kim Kardashian, and Obama.

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