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Chocobo_Fan:

--- Quote ---I doubt that.  If that was true, then Chocobo Fan would be presenting his speculation as a a fact directly given by the game.  I don't think Chocobo Fan would directly lie like that.
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...Except I did present it as fact? I was citing my source. I'm really confused by what you're talking about. Are you admitting that my theory is right if that piece of supporting evidence is fact?


--- Quote ---You have clearly never worked with wet plaster.

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...Is it too much to ask that we don't resort to flinging accusations, please? Let's keep things civil here.


--- Quote ---The little "dribbles slip between your fingers", because you are trying to force a lot of mass in a small space.  Dumping a bucket of wet plaster on a crevice is easy, while making the plaster fit into all the crevices in the hard part. Since Luca can hold an almost infinite number of soul charges in herself, she obviously doesn't have an issue fitting them in herself.

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I refer you to my previous posts. Molding the energy requires finesse, but Luca has (or holds) more raw power. Duvalier may be capable of doing something she can't, but only because he has more knowledge regarding the target of the soul charge. She is still higher than him in terms of an absolute power spectrum. She is capable of extracting and holding multiple soul charges, when Duvalier struggles to contain even a single one. How is Luca capable of doing something Duvalier can't if she's just a figment of his imagination?

SmartyPants:

--- Quote from: Chocobo_Fan on February 29, 2012, 03:08:13 PM ---
--- Quote ---I doubt that.  If that was true, then Chocobo Fan would be presenting his speculation as a a fact directly given by the game.  I don't think Chocobo Fan would directly lie like that.
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...Except I did present it as fact? I was citing my source. I'm really confused by what you're talking about. Are you admitting that my theory is right if that piece of supporting evidence is fact?
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If the game never described a soul charge "as an immense torrent of energy -- far greater than a normal being could store", and you claim that it did, then that would make you a liar.  So, did TSoG have anything like "as an immense torrent of energy -- far greater than a normal being could store" or did the game say something vastly different and vague like "feels a great force"?


--- Quote from: Chocobo_Fan on February 29, 2012, 03:08:13 PM ---
--- Quote ---You have clearly never worked with wet plaster.
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...Is it too much to ask that we don't resort to flinging accusations, please? Let's keep things civil here.
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How is that uncivil?  It is perfectly reasonable to assume that SteelFist didn't understand the revival description because he is unfamiliar with working with wet plaster.


--- Quote from: Chocobo_Fan on February 29, 2012, 03:08:13 PM ---She is still higher than him in terms of an absolute power spectrum.
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Are you honestly telling me that Luca has greater psy power than Duvalier?

Chocobo_Fan:

--- Quote ---If the game never described a soul charge "as an immense torrent of energy -- far greater than a normal being could store", and you claimed that it did, then that would make you a liar.  So, did TSoG have anything like ""as an immense torrent of energy -- far greater than a normal being could store" or did it say something vague like it feels like a "great force"?

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Um...I was basing my information off of this. A topic you created. I am curious as to how you are confused when you cited that same post to help your argument earlier in this very thread.


--- Quote ---Are you honestly telling me that Luca has greater psy power than Duvalier?

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I direct you to Gameplay and Story Segregation. However, even if we are working within those confines, the psy power stat is not, in fact, the only aspect of a psy's power. Luca has a very specific skill and ability that no other character we've seen is capable of. Perhaps saying that she's higher on an absolute power spectrum is incorrect, but she does have an ability that Duvalier does not and cannot replicate.

SmartyPants:

--- Quote from: Chocobo_Fan on February 29, 2012, 04:22:27 PM ---
--- Quote ---If the game never described a soul charge "as an immense torrent of energy -- far greater than a normal being could store", and you claimed that it did, then that would make you a liar.  So, did TSoG have anything like ""as an immense torrent of energy -- far greater than a normal being could store" or did it say something vague like it feels like a "great force"?
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Um...I was basing my information off of this. A topic you created. I am curious as to how you are confused when you cited that same post to help your argument earlier in this very thread
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I am confused because the topic I created didn't say anything about  a soul charges being "immense torrent of energy" that is "far greater than a normal being could store".  If you want people to take you seriously, then you shouldn't make up information and then pretend like you are directly paraphrasing the game.


--- Quote from: SteelFist on February 27, 2012, 11:13:14 AM ---Mmm-hmm. No. Luca uses an awful lot of power for an extension of Duvalier's mind. She has the power to manipulate souls and raise the dead. If Duvalier had that kind of ability, I'm sure he would have noticed. It's the kind of thing you pay attention to.
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Back on topic:  It shown that Duvalier has more talent then Luca, since he does most of the leg work during the revivial process.  The only techniques that Luca can do that Duvalier can't are techniques that can't be done with a human's composition.  Duvalier can't hold soul charges, steal psy energy, and transfer psy energy, because he lacks Luca's psy energy body.  Duvalier's mind created her to do things that he couldn't do as a human.

Steelfist:

--- Quote from: SmartyPants on February 29, 2012, 01:07:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: SteelFist on February 29, 2012, 10:09:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: SmartyPants on February 28, 2012, 02:03:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: SteelFist on February 28, 2012, 10:38:26 AM ---I don't know about energy expenditure, but it looks like Luca has to use more mental strength during the process.
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I don't know where you got that conclusion.  Luca simply puts her hand on the deads head and lets the soul charge flow into the dead, while Duvalier franticly struggles to make the soul charge fit.
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I was more unclear than I realised.
The energy, when Duvalier moulded it, was difficult to control as it was (Direct Quote ->) 'Struggling and looking for avenues of escape'. So, I surmised that if it were difficult to hold and control in the 'short struggle' for Duvalier, holding and controlling it for a much longer period of time before reviving a teammate would be much more so. One point I may have to clear up; by 'process' I referred to the entire process of storage and use, not just the moment in which the revive took place.
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(Direct Quote ->) "It's like forcing wet plaster to fill a series of crevices with your hands.  Little dribbles slip between your fingers, trying to escape."  You have clearly never worked with wet plaster.  The little "dribbles slip between your fingers", because you are trying to force a lot of mass in a small space.

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Indeed, I have never worked with plaster. However, neither have I heard of it 'struggling'. The passage insinuates that the energy is somehow alive and attempting to break free - the word it uses; 'looking', it good evidence of this. The 'wet plaster' quote is clearly sperate, as he has not started working with it at this point. So, my surmise that Luca uses more mental strength (Not Psp) appears to reamin intact.

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