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Chick Fil-A Appreciation Day

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Kaseke:

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--- Quote from: Kaseke on August 02, 2012, 12:26:54 PM ---Closed on sundays...? Most people don't go to church anymore anyways. Christian values aren't the values of all people in the US, or anywhere else either....You shouldn't push your own views on people like that.
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I am confused how the company being closed on Sunday is pushing beliefs on people.
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The company IS a highly christian one, and being closed on Sunday's so people can go to church to me, feels like pushing your own views on others. If it was for some other reason, but they just have to specify it for that cause.

I am not against religious freedom, but this company seems to be. I don't liek their policies, or their values. Their way of supporting their own policies is just wrong.


--- Quote from: Duckling on August 02, 2012, 04:21:20 PM ---It's not okay for the government to push their views on people or organisations. I don't agree at all with the use of government power to damage Chick-Fil-A's business. I do agree with simply asking Chick-Fil-A to reconsider their choice of location in a way which only indicates that they would be poorly served in investing in a certain location.

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That is nothing like the government ordering them to move somewhere else, as it says, he is urging them to find another location, since the place they want to have their restaraunt/stand/anything at all insults the policies of the city and the state.

Also the administrator of the site seems to be deleting any comments that go against this whole event with reason. I wrote something there and it got deleted in under a minute. They say that the whole thing is for freedom of speech, but don't let the people opposing it get their word out, even if it wasn't in an angry manner at all and everything written would be reasoned.

SmartyPants:

--- Quote from: Kaseke on August 03, 2012, 02:21:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: SmartyPants on August 02, 2012, 03:10:31 PM ---I am confused how the company being closed on Sunday is pushing beliefs on people.
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The company IS a highly christian one, and being closed on Sunday's so people can go to church to me, feels like pushing your own views on others. If it was for some other reason, but they just have to specify it for that cause.
I am not against religious freedom, but this company seems to be. I don't liek their policies, or their values. Their way of supporting their own policies is just wrong.
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You come off as having an anti-christian prejudice.  The company doesn't open on Sunday so devout christains aren't forced to work on the Sabbath.  On Sundays, christain employees aren't forced to work on a day that disobeys one their commandments, while non-christain employees get a day off that doesn't have to include going to church.  With your logic, one could claim that the government is pushing christian beliefs on people for letting kids out of school around Christmas.
The company's policy is that no one can be discriminated based on their race, religion, sexual orientation, or physical handicap.  Since Chick-Fil-A has never had a discrimination issue due to sexual orientation, one could easily assume that Kaseke's problem with Chick-Fil-A is that it calls itself a "Christain" company.


--- Quote from: SmartyPants on August 02, 2012, 03:10:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kaseke on August 02, 2012, 12:26:54 PM ---Closed on sundays...? Most people don't go to church anymore anyways. Christian values aren't the values of all people in the US, or anywhere else either....You shouldn't push your own views on people like that.
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I am confused how the company being closed on Sunday is pushing beliefs on people.  I would also like to know why it is okay for members of the government to push their values on people, while the Chick-Fil-A CEO gets criticized for speakng about his personal values?
--- Quote from: Chicago Cardinal Francis George ---"Recent comments by those who administer our city seem to assume that the city government can decide for everyone what are the ‘values’ that must be held by citizens of Chicago. I was born and raised here, and my understanding of being a Chicagoan never included submitting my value system to the government for approval. Must those whose personal values do not conform to those of the government of the day move from the city?”
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You ignored half of my questions.  All of Kaseke's comments are bashing christain beliefs, while s/he avoids any subject related to criticism of the government's abuse of power?


--- Quote from: Duckling on August 02, 2012, 04:21:20 PM ---I do agree with simply asking Chick-Fil-A to reconsider their choice of location in a way which only indicates that they would be poorly served in investing in a certain location.
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Out of curiosity: Would it be okay for Boston to bully a business who had an executive who criticized Massachusetts's health care mandate?
Would it be okay for San Francisco to bully a business who had an executive who criticized the city for having $10.24 an hour minimum wage?
Would it be okay for Phoenix to bully a business who had an executive who criticized the city's sanctuary city policies?
Would it be okay for Dallas to bully a business who had an executive who criticized the city's harsh possession enforcement?
Would it be okay for New York to bully a business who had an executive who criticized the city's wanting to eliminate the sale of large sodas?
Is it okay for the government to bully a business because an executive of the business used his First Amendment right to express his political beliefs?

ArtDrake:
Is it reasonable to suggest that a governmental head embodies the will of the people he or she governs? No. A mayor or governor or President can express his or her opinions towards an organisation as they choose, as he or she was elected for their viewpoints -- if this viewpoint does not adequately express those of the people of a governed body of people, the official may be reelected. If the views of the official do align with those of the people, then it is more likely the organisation will be denied permission to locate in the area governed -- after all, it's just as much a matter of zoning rights and licenses as it is of buying or renting space.

SmartyPants:

--- Quote from: Duckling on August 03, 2012, 09:21:36 PM ---If the views of the official do align with those of the people, then it is more likely the organisation will be denied permission to locate in the area governed -- after all, it's just as much a matter of zoning rights and licenses as it is of buying or renting space.
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Does this mean that you do think it is okay for the government to deny an organisation the right to operate in an area as long as that organisation has the minority political opinion?  Senator Joseph McCarthy would agree with that.

Kaseke:

--- Quote from: SmartyPants on August 04, 2012, 11:58:22 AM ---Does this mean that you do think it is okay for the government to deny an organisation the right to operate in an area as long as that organisation has the minority political opinion?  Senator Joseph McCarthy would agree with that.

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The government has not at any point denied any right to operate... He is only expressing his opinion in a stronger manner as the speaker of the people. Not denying them any acces. Sure he uses some strong words, but so far there has been nothing about denying the bussines an acces to the state.


--- Quote from: SmartyPants on August 03, 2012, 12:13:22 PM ---You ignored half of my questions.  All of Kaseke's comments are bashing christain beliefs, while s/he avoids any subject related to criticism of the government's abuse of power?

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I think I've very well expressed my opinion on this case. I don't think the government hasn't abused anyone, or anything in this manner. As said in Dukclings last post, he is only doing his duty as the spokesman of his people, unlike many other politicians.

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