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Re: New attacks for teammates
« Reply #150 on: March 24, 2010, 05:35:20 PM »

how about a paralyzing attack for arman that lasts one turn and can only be used once per scorpion you kill
or some number dependant on the number of times you killed a scorpion, depends on how frequent CraigStern makes them in the final update
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Re: New attacks for teammates
« Reply #151 on: March 24, 2010, 05:41:04 PM »

while sounding nice, that would be difficult to implement, while do-able, just annoying long to code.
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Re: New attacks for teammates
« Reply #152 on: March 25, 2010, 08:34:15 AM »

Ok, then I'll add into formulated the poison attack for Arman, keeping the two names, as I, like you guys, have little preference for one over other (poison strike v poison stab).

yogc- to be frank, I think those new area attacks are a bit of a red herring: they'll take a lot of time to implement and they wouldn't be adding that much variety to game-play, so I am sceptical that Craig will be easily persuaded about them. But  let's see how things go.
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Re: New attacks for teammates
« Reply #153 on: March 26, 2010, 02:37:37 PM »

Why can't Luca learn Cold Attacks like other ghosts can?
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Re: New attacks for teammates
« Reply #154 on: March 26, 2010, 08:24:09 PM »

Why can't Luca learn Cold Attacks like other ghosts can?
Other ghost are skilled in attacks, while Luca is skilled in supporting others.

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Re: New attacks for teammates
« Reply #155 on: March 27, 2010, 11:55:07 AM »

Indeed, Luca seems to be a prolofic specialist in unusual abilities, rather than pure power- and it places her in a unique niche. It seems she is not very powerful for a ghost, not enough to use elemental attacks, but she is skilled enough to perform small tricks which require less power.

Ok, so we have ideas for extra attacks for Malis, Arman and the un-named Spearman-class teammate. Rahel got, as per our discussions, a sniper attack with range 4.
Where does that leave us now? We have the un-named Red Spriggat, Griffin, Set and Luca.
Duvalier, in my opinion, has more than enough attacks to play around with- there is a host of offensive attacks, more than even the Shadowling Healer posses, then there is a host of elemental offensive attacks, plus the extra icing on the cake- Feedback and Vengeance. This all seems well rounded and well covered. Having a second affinity coming up mid-late game might be an option to consider (given all that talk about bielemental attacks two years ago).


Luca has a fair few useful attacks, not only can she be used as a PsP source gatherer for the team and supplier, she can also be used for re-shuffling teammate/enemy positions with Juxtapose. Do you recon this is enough? Or do you think she should have, as a support unit, a third branch of useful skills to have? Like what?

I think Griffin is currently lacking a little in his attack arsenal- his attacks are nice, but Slash does not look impressive at all in comparison to Helena's Whirlwind- now that was something. A bigger area attack, perhaps? 'Cause so far he has two identical melee attacks, like Stab and Mega Stab, useful, granted, but not providing with much of variety. Backhander certainly stands out in this respect. But then, Slash doesn't seem like a very powerful area attack. Any thoughts on this?

Set has pretty much all- I cannot really and honestly think of a new original shield that could be useful for him and differ enough to be used in the game. There was talk of adding a more offensive attack, like Feedback, but that isn't really in his character. There was also talk of an easter-egg type shield which Set learns only if he completes a side-quest with some kind of event that forces Set to use a shield to push a teammate out of harms way and hurt the teammate in the process. So there was an idea of a "pushing" attack that deals symbolic amount of damage- liek 4hp, but pushes a teammate/enemy one tile back. But then there were discussions about what happens if a non-flying unit is displaced into a river or a chasm, etc, etc. Thus, apart from these, I don't see much more in terms of attacks that Set can have.

Un-named Red Spriggat, probably will have 3 attacks, at least- Mind Blast, Fire Breath and Fire Breath 2. (Deducing this from TPA2.) So, would that be enough? 3 attacks, whilst most other teammates will have at least 4? I don't know. I did suggest giving an extra elemental shield, but then it would mean that Dulvalier's elemental shield with Heat would be a bit useless. How about giving a Shadow shield to Malis, a Cold Shield to Luca and a Light Shield to, say, Set? But I don't really like that idea much.  There was a suggestion of the Red Spriggat performing the following attack:

XXX
OXO
ORO

O=empty, X=hit, R=Red Spriggat

With the Spriggat using his Psy power to disperse, rather than focus the fire erupting from his mouth. This attack will then be complementary to Fire Breath 2, as it has shorter, but wider range.

So, what are your thoughts, folks?
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Re: New attacks for teammates
« Reply #156 on: March 27, 2010, 06:05:18 PM »

sounds good for the red spriggats fire spray attack

lets give griffin an attack where he throws his sword in a move that hits 2 spaces in front of him
as i said a page or two ago, he may be a melee fighter, but he does have the gift anyways
or maybe he could have feedback
your choice
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Re: New attacks for teammates
« Reply #157 on: March 27, 2010, 06:40:39 PM »

How about for Griffin we have an area attack that is like slash only 5 X better. I was thinking about an attack that almost add the same effect, but I wanted to put griffen in much less danger and have more of a opportunity to hurt the enemy.

Hack:

Cost: 14

OOOOO
OXXXO
OXXXO
OOGOO
OOOOO
G = Griffin Facing North X= Space Affected O= Unaffected Space

Ideas/Improvements People?
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Re: New attacks for teammates
« Reply #158 on: March 27, 2010, 06:49:11 PM »

maybe change it to
OOXOO
OXXXO
OXXXO
OOGOO
OOOOO
so it would fit a sword's attack shape a little better
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Re: New attacks for teammates
« Reply #159 on: March 27, 2010, 06:58:41 PM »

maybe change it to
OOXOO
OXXXO
OXXXO
OOGOO
OOOOO
so it would fit a sword's attack shape a little better

I was thinking that griffin would swing his sword like his does in slash but on a much larger scale, good idea though, I pretty sure sombody could use an attack with a range of that!
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Re: New attacks for teammates
« Reply #160 on: March 27, 2010, 07:38:05 PM »

maybe change it to
OOXOO
OXXXO
OXXXO
OOGOO
OOOOO
so it would fit a sword's attack shape a little better
more like if he threw his sword and guided it in a boomerang curve with the gift
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Re: New attacks for teammates
« Reply #161 on: March 28, 2010, 06:59:28 AM »

I like the idea of both this "Sweep" Attack and my idea for aa attack with range of 2 spaces directly in front of Griffin, maybe call this one "Stab" (or since Arman already has a Stab we could call it pierce)
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Re: New attacks for teammates
« Reply #162 on: March 28, 2010, 07:12:53 AM »

I don't know: that really overlaps with the spearman's attacks, don't you think? And how can he "realistically" cover that area with his sword?
Personally, I'd rather see him equipped with something akin to whirlwind- now that was the ultimate melee attack!
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Re: New attacks for teammates
« Reply #163 on: March 28, 2010, 01:57:03 PM »

If Luca can revive teamates out of battle, why can't she revive them in battle?
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Re: New attacks for teammates
« Reply #164 on: March 28, 2010, 01:59:40 PM »

Good question, that: probably because she needs to concentrate hard on the process, and in battle she would be obviously distracted and would have to move around a lot. As well, the body might be in the midst of an enemy formation- chances are, they'll get to Luca and break through her defenses before she finishes the process (again, another reason may be that the process is so slow the battle is over before she can complete it, so it's better for her to help out other teammates, rather than to try and revive the fallen one).
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