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SmartyPants:
The Unaffordable Care Act will increase the average individual-market insurance premiums by 99% for men and 62% for women.


--- Quote from: CraigStern on April 28, 2010, 08:02:08 AM ---Sure, having more citizens available for government benefits will increase costs. What the author fails to mention, however, is that by bringing undocumented immigrants out of the shadows, the government will also have a new source of tax revenue to pay those costs. Many undocumented immigrants are currently paid "under the table," dodging federal income taxes and payroll taxes on money they earn working. Amnesty gives them an incentive to start paying into the system (and, by the same token, removes much of the incentive employers have to hire them in place of citizens, since employers will have to start paying taxes for them as well).
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The uneducated illegal immigrants from third world countries will cost the government way, way more than they will ever pay in taxes.  If the illegals are granted amnesty, then they will likely add their numbers to the 43% of Americans who don't pay any federal income taxes, yet still ask for expensive entitlement programs.

CraigStern:
For the reasons explained here, directly comparing rates pre-ACA with the rates of plans under the ACA is like comparing apples and oranges, since the ACA forbids unethical practices that distorted premium prices prior to its passage: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/02/fact-check-premiums-will-go-up/

Where plans actually offering similar benefits were compared, the rates remained stable on average:


--- Quote ---The study used modeling to look at ten “representative states” as well as the country as a whole. In five of those ten states, RAND finds no increases when the costs of individual plans offered prior to Obamacare are compared to cost estimates for comparable plans offered in the exchanges. Consumers in three states – Minnesota, North Dakota and Ohio – could see their premiums increase by as much as 43%, while in the final two states – Louisiana and New Mexico – consumers could see their premiums decline. Nationwide, the study estimates that premiums will remain stable.
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The actual effects differed by state.

SmartyPants:

--- Quote from: CraigStern on March 23, 2010, 09:14:22 AM ---
--- Quote ---There isn't a single government agency or division that runs efficiently; do we really want an organization that developed the U.S. Tax Code handling something as complex as health care?
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It's one thing to be philosophically opposed to government involvement in health care. That's a personal belief, not susceptible to proof. But you can't just walk up and say "government is always inefficient, therefore this program will be poorly managed and wasteful." That's a factual assertion, and you need to have a factual basis for making it.
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About three years ago, I warned you guys that the government isn't competent enough to run the country's heath care system.  Now we have a broken website that could only allow five people to sign up when the government expected to get several thousands of people enrolled.  If Katherine Sebelius messed up as bad as she did in the private industry, then she would have been fired for her incompetence. Instead, we keep the inept head of the HHS, because Obama finds politics more important than having capable employees.

SmartyPants:
Lie of the Year: "If you like your health care plan, you can keep it": Approximately 4 million Americans received cancellation letters from their insurance companies due to Obamacare, and the Obama administration has known that was going to happen since three years ago.

SmartyPants:
Obamacare will make insurance even more expensive than previously predicted, because not enough young, healthy people signed up on the exchange to supplement the cost of all the sick, old people who have signed up.

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