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Barzul

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Who was Luca?
« on: June 28, 2010, 12:17:54 PM »

Who do you guys think Luca was before she died? A psy, an assassin, Yahweh's angel, a cultist, just a normal person, etc. And how did she, Fiooz, Amza, and his gang end up in Baz's cellar?

I'm guessing she and Fiooz were thieves, who tried to steal from Amza, who was using Baz's cellar as a HQ while Baz was in prison. Until they caught her and... somehow all died before Amza could get his money back and Luca and Fiooz never got away with the money, leaving them ghosts until they figure out the debt situation.   :D
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Re: Who was Luca?
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2010, 03:50:54 PM »

Azma was a member of a gang, maybe the Order of the Black Rose? Luca and Fizooz did something to make him mad, he went insane and thought they owed him for ticking him off, and he did something like destroying a house that killed him and a few backup assassins? Random guess.
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Re: Who was Luca?
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2010, 06:28:49 AM »

I don't think Luca was also a thieve, or Azma would hostage her too.
I think Azma was from some mafia, Firooz owed him money, a job, or who knows,
and Luca had discovered it just before everyone died crushed by the crumbling ceiling, and etc...
Also, it didn't happen on recent basis necessarily, could have happened years ago.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2010, 06:37:40 AM by Cceellssoo »
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Re: Who was Luca?
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2010, 02:58:38 PM »

I wonder, Barzul, how you came upon such an idea?

Somehow, I never thought of Luca as having a dark and murky past- rather, she seems to be quite the victim of some long-forgotten romantic story. For some reason I think of Fizooz as a trader, or a guy who bent the law a little to try and remain with Luca, and hence got into "debt". Not Romeo and Juliet by any means, but something a bit more pure and idealistic.

Of course, going back to "present day", Luca very well may turn out to be "Yawah" and connected to the Cult (you know what they say- keep your friends close, but your enemies even closer- she could be working from the inside, obsering them all and, possibly, trying to corrupt the main along the way- in that execution scene, she seems to be awfully powerful in her ability to suddenly appear and the suggestion by her to kill off the crowd...)!
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Re: Who was Luca?
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2010, 10:54:26 PM »

I dunno, I watched an episode of Leverage and had thieves on my mind all day... And plus I kind of think she may have a murky past after she so casually offered to kill the entire crowd chasing Duvalier. She may not remember her life past Fiooz, but I don't think her personality would shift much. Which makes me think she was a tough woman who knew what was right and wrong (such as stealing from theoretical  mob boss Amza could be viewed as a good deed in a way) and wouldn't dither about getting a job done.
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Re: Who was Luca?
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2010, 08:55:49 AM »

If I had to guess.  I would say that Azma is a mob boss whom Fizooz owed money to.  As Fizooz's wife, Luca was also burdened by the debt.

I have a theory that Gifted humans become more powerful spirits then normal humans, so Azma and Luca were psys, while Fizooz wasn't.

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Re: Who was Luca?
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2010, 03:12:18 PM »

I would say that im2smart4u's guess is not improbable. Though, knowing Craig, it might all turn out to be completely different.

Kindly do elaborate about the Gifted becoming more powerful spirits (on the condition of having unfinished business in the material plane)? It seems that the Gift is not a requirement to become a Spirit, so in what way the Gift would be an augumenting factor (mind, I think I agree with this theory, but am curious of how you would explain this)?
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Re: Who was Luca?
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2010, 05:51:39 PM »

Kindly do elaborate about the Gifted becoming more powerful spirits (on the condition of having unfinished business in the material plane)? It seems that the Gift is not a requirement to become a Spirit, so in what way the Gift would be an augumenting factor (mind, I think I agree with this theory, but am curious of how you would explain this)?
This getting off topic.  Jason Bourne from Bourne Identity lost him memories, yet retained his combat skills.  Spirits are similar because they retain some instincts from their past lives even when they lose their memories.  That means when human psys become spirits, they have a aptitude to using psy powers.

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Re: Who was Luca?
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2010, 09:02:08 AM »

Part of the post is directly on topic, im2msart4u, and the latter part is relevant to the teammate under discussion, but you're more than welcome to start a new thread where you explain your theory. In any case, I agree with it.


I wonder if a person's personality changes upon becoming a spirit- it's one thing to retain one's ability to learn skills known in prior life, it's completely another to retain the same personality. Given that the soul remains the same, would the transition, or the manner of death, affect the person? Ie can we make a good guess at who Luca was before she died solely judging by her actions? Doesn't she view the world now in a completely different manner? How did she die? Might the manner of her death somehow be related to Fizooz and his debt? How did he die?

Does anyone think that she was an ordinary citizen leading an ordinary life prior to becoming what she is now? Or do you folks think that she was special way before she died?
In light of what im2msart4u suggests about talents being retained, and the fact that Craig mentioned that not all spirits can perform Soul suck, what do you think that tells us about Luca's past?

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Re: Who was Luca?
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2010, 11:51:36 AM »

Does anyone think that she was an ordinary citizen leading an ordinary life prior to becoming what she is now? Or do you folks think that she was special way before she died?
I highly doubt that completely ordinary spirits would be a strong as Luca after their deaths, otherwise spirits would be more abundant and many leaders would employ entire armies of spirits. In fact, considering luca is a good deal stronger and more useful than a regular foot soldier, some rulers would intentionally kill loyal soldiers in order to create an unstoppable army.
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Re: Who was Luca?
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2010, 02:46:17 PM »

In fact, considering luca is a good deal stronger and more useful than a regular foot soldier, some rulers would intentionally kill loyal soldiers in order to create an unstoppable army.
I don't know about her being that powerful, but I don't think that every human who dies becomes a spirit, so it would be unwise to reduce the size of one's army.  I don't know about you, but I have killed several humans and haven't see any spirits appear.

In light of what im2smart4u suggests about talents being retained, and the fact that Craig mentioned that not all spirits can perform Soul Suck, what do you think that tells us about Luca's past?
I think it is more noteworthy that Luca can use Soul Charges to revive people, then her ability to use Soul Suck.  In TPA2, there are several spirits who can use Soul Suck, but none are seen reviving anyone.

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Re: Who was Luca?
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2010, 07:48:57 AM »

I was bundling Soul Charges and Soul Suck together into one, as I was talking about Luca, but you're right- there are others who use soul suck only, but cannot (or will not) use Soul Carges to revive people in the Grand Tournament of Ravinale. In either case, that is definitely worth thinking about. Could that property be associated with one being a healer? Hardly, it seems, as it requires sacrifice of one's soul to save another being- reminds me a bit more of Zem the Reaper's techniques of replenishing one's health with that of another person... a  unique Gift in the Telepath Universe, so far. Might the two of them be somehow related?

im2smart4u:I believe there is a bit of dialogue in TPA2 that explains that spirits are formed when the soul has "unfinished business" in the material plane (ie a great desire and willpower to remain behind), so not all humans at all will remain. What's even more interesting, can other species leave spirits behind as well?

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Re: Who was Luca?
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2010, 09:13:01 AM »

im2smart4u:I believe there is a bit of dialogue in TPA2 that explains that spirits are formed when the soul has "unfinished business" in the material plane (ie a great desire and willpower to remain behind), so not all humans at all will remain.
I don't know what dialogue you are refering to.