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Title: Members going rogue
Post by: Xemadus Echina on August 31, 2010, 10:09:29 AM
What I really want to see is one of the team members going rogue and then the main has to go fight then 1v1.
Title: Members going rogue
Post by: Cypher on August 31, 2010, 11:01:55 AM
That wouldn't happen. They're all to loyal.
Title: Members going rogue
Post by: KZ on August 31, 2010, 11:04:28 AM
That, apart from Craig, no one knows. Though memebrs have theorized about it before.
Obviously, the most suspicious is Arman, but many people think that that is just a red herring.
(You can search this subsection of the forums- I think there is a thread or two about this.)
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: Tastidian on August 31, 2010, 09:54:52 PM
I would like to see arman fight or maybe a powerful psy or ghost controls their bodies.
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: Xemadus Echina on September 04, 2010, 10:15:42 AM
that could be another possibility.  Somebody is possessed and surprise attacks the team.  That's the sort of think that the second in command (I.E. Griffin) would end up doing.  Or maybe the main himself turns XP. 
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: Ertxiem on September 04, 2010, 03:36:07 PM
Mmm... a battle of all teammates against Duvalier (AI controlled that must be beaten)... interesting (although it may give Craig a serious headache to code the AI).
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: bugfartboy on September 04, 2010, 03:43:59 PM
But with the purpose being to capture a space, through the team, while defending another space, and not killing the team. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: Tastidian on September 04, 2010, 07:39:23 PM
I think the ai for fighting a team member has to be incredibly hard. Like fighting 10 Shaowling guardians and 10 Spriggats hard.
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: Zhampir on September 06, 2010, 09:50:29 PM
Arman is loyal. Extremely. It's Rahel ye should keep your eye upon. Women are not to be trusted. She's emotional, weakened by the death of her recent love, headstrong and feels she knows what's right. If the main plays it carefully she shall become very loyal, but one wrong move could turn her against the entire organization. Also, if she's captured by the enemy, with that much emotional trauma she keeps inside of her she could be easily persuaded to "turn towards the light"
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: Duskling on September 06, 2010, 09:52:40 PM
Quote from: Zhampir on September 06, 2010, 09:50:29 PM
Arman is loyal. Extremely. It's Rahel ye should keep your eye upon. Women are not to be trusted. She's emotional, weakened by the death of her recent love, headstrong and feels she knows what's right. If the main plays it carefully she shall become very loyal, but one wrong move could turn her against the entire organization. Also, if she's captured by the enemy, with that much emotional trauma she keeps inside of her she could be easily persuaded to "turn towards the light"
Now that is believable!
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Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: bugfartboy on September 06, 2010, 09:54:07 PM
That would be cool. Capture the boss while defending the space.
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: KZ on September 07, 2010, 04:49:25 PM
Interesting look on the situation. I guess the Arman question will also depend on whether Duvalier joins up the Order of the Black Rose or not.

Rahel- good point, she can be emotionally fragile- how often have we seen one keeping an icy edifice crack under pressure when it is too much!
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: Xemadus Echina on September 07, 2010, 05:19:38 PM
heres an idea to work in the rahel going rogue bit.  it requires a new attack though.

Rahel learns fury.  This coupled with her already tender emotions cause her to go crazy.  A little push from a cultist sends her bearing down on Griffin looking for blood.  The main steps in and sees griffin on the floor with an arrow lodged in his armor and  then he finds rahel crying.  he goes up to talk to her but she looses it and attacks him.  in the fight she has her stats +5 as well as all her normal attacks.
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: Zhampir on September 11, 2010, 02:20:06 AM
I think that should just be called "." (without the quotes) XD
You could make it happen at a 25% chance per battle or something. lol
Nah, Rahel is level headed she isn't psychotic. She would have to be manipulated or feel threatened by her teammates. Now that I think about it, she'd really only turn if the enemy captured her and tortured her or otherwise manipulated her into joining them. Such as the granting her the ability to talk to her lost love as their demonstration of Yawah's power. (Ex's are really good at screwing up a good thing >.< ) Though it doesn't seem like they're too much into conversion. Reminds me a lot of the Ori from Stargate SG1.
Let's do a break down of the team that we have actually met.

Griffin: This guy broke you out of prison just because he's your friend. He'll be loyal to the end.

Arman: He's secretive, but he needs a home, a family, and within your team he has that. How many guards did he stand up with alone just so you can rescue your parents? He ain't going anywhere.

Set: this adorable little guy will follow you like a love-sick puppy dog. Sure he has potential to go berserk and mass murder an entire town because he just bottles up all his emotions, but he's having the time of his life, like Arman he's all ways been searching for friends and the bond he has with the team is unbreakable.

Luca: A ghost lady that has a fairly remarkable memory for a ghost, but still doesn't know much about her past. She'll be  loyal until her dept to you is repaid, or she forgets you're her friend. Keep in mind she has trouble remembering her own name. She could be easily tricked into thinking you're the bad guy.

Malis: she's there for the money. And with the Cult she's losing business. She's pretty loyal to you, and even though she likely enjoys killing all the fleshlings with you, so far all she sees in you is a few gold pieces. She likely won't turn on you but will probably leave your party if a more profitable business venture is available.

Rahel: She's sweet but damaged. She likes to appear hard but definitively has a soft spot. And with the death of her bf that small mark on her has turned into a gaping wound. No matter what, if she had the chance to get back that guy she would take it. Although she would probably initially refuse if the Cult offered, she would all ways have it on her mind. As soon as your little party with her goes sour she'll start to think and fantasize about it. She would start thinking "maybe everything will be all right if I convert... Perhaps I can request that they leave my friends alone..." and so on. Once in the cult she could be brainwashed into seeing how you guys are in the wrong. She may even try to stop you, which would end violently. She's loyal to her heart.
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: bugfartboy on September 11, 2010, 12:54:28 PM
That makes sense. How would she be captured by the cult? After a mission the cult follows you and finds your HQ. Then they sneak in and capture everyone. But a Psi working for them plays mind tricks on Rahel and pretend to be her ex from the grave. But the Psi slips up and Rahel goes insane. She quickly releases several arrows into the throats of the cultists and then turns on your team in a rampage.
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: Tastidian on September 11, 2010, 01:58:26 PM
She may not need no brainwash playing with a vulnerable heart is cold but highly affective.
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: bugfartboy on September 11, 2010, 02:04:38 PM
It wouldn't be brainwashing. It would be a cruel mind trick.
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: Ertxiem on September 11, 2010, 07:55:19 PM
Quite a good analysis (http://sinisterdesign.net/forum/index.php?topic=650.msg21695#msg21695) of the team so far, Zhampir. I was thinking the same about everyone, except that I don't think Rahel is that vulnerable from her ex side. However, we're yet to see what the Rubat clan has to offer. Perhaps they're attacked by the Cult and some of members of Rahel's family are captured.

Another possible weak spot on the team may be the Spearman. What if he's a spy from the Cult? (We don't know anything about him, so we may speculate freely! :) )
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: Tastidian on September 12, 2010, 04:34:42 PM
I believe if the cult actually know where they where I think they would rather burn the place down than send a spy over. Also I still believe that its Rahel's old boyfriend not her family in Rubat but that is a good suggestion/possibility.
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: Zhampir on September 13, 2010, 11:35:37 AM
The ex-guard being a spy seems to obvious to me... but then again, I love complexity and making unexpected but supported connections.
Can somebody post here or message me a compilation of what is speculated on the new allies?
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: SmartyPants on September 13, 2010, 12:58:08 PM
Quote from: KZ on August 31, 2010, 11:04:28 AM
Obviously, the most suspicious is Arman, but many people think that that is just a red herring.
Arman joined the Resistance as a form of redemption, so I don't see him being a traitor.

Quote from: Zhampir on September 06, 2010, 09:50:29 PM
Arman is loyal. Extremely. It's Rahel ye should keep your eye upon. Women are not to be trusted. She's emotional, weakened by the death of her recent love, headstrong and feels she knows what's right. If the main plays it carefully she shall become very loyal, but one wrong move could turn her against the entire organization. Also, if she's captured by the enemy, with that much emotional trauma she keeps inside of her she could be easily persuaded to "turn towards the light"
Rahel is too smart and strong willed to be easily persuaded.  Also, she is the longest standing member. If she wanted to ruin the resistance, then she would have took the leadership postion when she had a chance to.
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: bugfartboy on September 13, 2010, 03:44:47 PM
Maybe it's not one of your teammates who betrays you. What it your mother is SO convinced that Yawah is a god and that you and everyone else are sinners and sneaks out and leads the Cult to you?
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: Ertxiem on September 14, 2010, 04:39:56 AM
That would make sense, since Duvalier's mother seems to have been brainwashed. But then again, it seems that Duvalier and the rest should notice that and take extra care.
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: bugfartboy on September 14, 2010, 03:36:00 PM
Unless she is excellent at keeping obfuscating and plotting to give the sinners to the Cultists.
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: Tastidian on September 18, 2010, 01:55:09 AM
His mother isn't totally brainwashed but most likely experimenting.
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: Idozen Cair on January 01, 2011, 02:54:11 AM
Quote from: rainen on September 07, 2010, 05:19:38 PM
heres an idea to work in the rahel going rogue bit.  it requires a new attack though.

Rahel learns fury.  This coupled with her already tender emotions cause her to go crazy.  A little push from a cultist sends her bearing down on Griffin looking for blood.  The main steps in and sees griffin on the floor with an arrow lodged in his armor and  then he finds rahel crying.  he goes up to talk to her but she looses it and attacks him.  in the fight she has her stats +5 as well as all her normal attacks.
If there's only Rahel as your enemy then the battle would be easy. Just pin her down with melee units.
Title: Re: Members going rogue
Post by: bugfartboy on January 01, 2011, 02:56:58 AM
Unless she grabs a knife in her rampage that is. Them she would have two new attacks for that battle.