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Ghosts (http://telepath.wikia.com/wiki/Spirit) are the entities left over after a people die.
That means Ghost Knights (http://telepath.wikia.com/wiki/Ghost_Knight) were once living.
Where are the living, axe-wielding Knights of Cera Bella?

ghost knights, just because they have physical resistance and can do mental damage if I'm not mistaken. but yes I'd like to see some real living knights.

You are mistaken.  Ghost knights can't do mental damge.  I also think a ghost axe wouldn't hurt as much as a real axe.

Hmm. I would think that a living knight would be faster. But I don't know. Why make ghost knights so slow?

Uh... the knights are from an old and extinct culture. This era utilizes machines and psy powers.

Quote from: Arch Preist of Craiginism on September 11, 2010, 01:47:00 AM
Hmm. I would think that a living knight would be faster. But I don't know. Why make ghost knights so slow?

I think both would move very slow.  The living knight would be in very heavily armor and the ghost knight would have very heavy spirit armor on while attempting to float.


*Maybe there are no more Knights in Cera Bella.  The Ghost Knights could be remnants of a much older time.

*Knights could also be from a different country/city-state in Cera Bella.  The country with living Knights could be based on Feudalism and Nobility.

And some of the ghost knights we see could have been sent from that country to invade, but failed and died. Thus becoming ghosts. Problem solved.

Quote from: Zhampir on September 11, 2010, 01:47:49 AM
Uh... the knights are from an old and extinct culture. This era utilizes machines and psy powers.

Exactly my thought. Also I think a ghost knight would have less damage than that of a real knight. Real blades do tend to hurt more than that of what ever the ghostly one is. But ghost knights have more health because its hard to damage something that isn't there.

True. Maybe ghosts consist of a mind bending light to give it a definable form. But because it isn't there, you can't hurt it as easily.

Quote from: Craig's biggest suck-up on September 11, 2010, 12:47:21 PM
And some of the ghost knights we see could have been sent from that country to invade, but failed and died. Thus becoming ghosts. Problem solved.

So knights could be from a northern country that went south for conquest.  Those who went south died and became ghosts.  What about the knights that remain in the north?

Quote from: PinkPanzer on September 11, 2010, 02:02:00 PMBut ghost knights have more health because its hard to damage something that isn't there.

If you compare spirit enemies to living enemies, then you will notice that the living have more health then their dead counterparts.  Of course spirits make up for their lower health with physical resistance.

You can't really compare ghosts to humans. There is no living equal to compare to it, in case you havn't noticed. And the knights in the north could have been extinct. I was just saying the ghost knights could have been the dead remains of a conquest attempt that stuck around.

Or perhaps the Knights belong to the recent History of Ravinale. I believe that General D'Kah is a pole-axe wielder...

Quote from: im2smart4u on September 11, 2010, 02:50:24 PM

Quote from: Craig's biggest suck-up on September 11, 2010, 12:47:21 PM
And some of the ghost knights we see could have been sent from that country to invade, but failed and died. Thus becoming ghosts. Problem solved.

So knights could be from a northern country that went south for conquest.  Those who went south died and became ghosts.  What about the knights that remain in the north?

North you say, well their is one country in the north and it tried to attack the sotuh but I think nobody would want it in the game!

Quote from: Zackirus on September 12, 2010, 11:24:34 AM

Quote from: im2smart4u on September 11, 2010, 02:50:24 PM

Quote from: Craig's biggest suck-up on September 11, 2010, 12:47:21 PM
And some of the ghost knights we see could have been sent from that country to invade, but failed and died. Thus becoming ghosts. Problem solved.

So knights could be from a northern country that went south for conquest.  Those who went south died and became ghosts.  What about the knights that remain in the north?

North you say, well their is one country in the north and it tried to attack the sotuh but I think nobody would want it in the game!

I am say that there was an Order of Knights that invaded generations ago.  The ancestors of this order might still remain in the North.  If I asked for Living Knights to be in the game, then I would have put this topic in the Wish List.  Plus, this is just my theory.

im2smart4u: No one was disagreeing with you.

Edit: Cleaned up unnecessary text. Ert.

Guys.... let's not do anything rash.

Sorry. I would like to see a living knight, but it's not nesseary. Adding the knight would give us a reference to what the ghost knight can and can't do.

Quote from: im2smart4u on September 11, 2010, 02:50:24 PM

Quote from: PinkPanzer on September 11, 2010, 02:02:00 PMBut ghost knights have more health because its hard to damage something that isn't there.

If you compare spirit enemies to living enemies, then you will notice that the living have more health then their dead counterparts.  Of course spirits make up for their lower health with physical resistance.

Thanks for the correction that is what I meant by its hard to damage some thing that isn't there therefore psy powers is best.

The Ghost Knight are more dangerous, because most characters use physical attacks which makes the Ghost's physical resistance more dangerous, then a living Knight's slightly higher health.  Plus, Ghost Knights can float.

But hey are slow. Am I the only one who remembers the 10 Ghost Knight battle in TPA1?

Quote from:  ______ on September 12, 2010, 08:23:17 PM
But hey are slow. Am I the only one who remembers the 10 Ghost Knight battle in TPA1?

Living Knights would be just as slow.  Have you every seen anyone run in knight armor?  The answer is no, because it isn't possible.

I was reading the results of the old forum (http://sinisterdesign.freepowerboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1819) and found them to be much diffrent.

Quote from: KZGood question on the origin of Ghost knights- they certainly come from nobility, possibly from some other city in Cera Bella? After all, the events that are taking place only deal with a handful of many other settlements.

As for who's stronger, I'd still go with the Ghost Knight since that's one very heavily armored unit, and a living Knight will also belong to the category of heavyily armord units, thus their speed will probably be the same as that of theri repsective ghosts- thus the physical resistance and the fact that you can only temporarily dissipate a ghost make them a more dangerous enemy to have- the Ghost Knight can retrun, and can sustain more damage along the way.

To be honest I think the living might walk 1 unit faster. The man does still have existing legs so its easier. Unlike floating.

I don't know, floating would be pretty easy for a ghost, and since they can do it just like walking for living people, and their legs can't get tired from carrying all that heavy armor, one could even argue the opposite.

Quote from: PinkPanzer on September 18, 2010, 01:56:58 AM
To be honest I think the living might walk 1 unit faster. The man does still have existing legs so its easier. Unlike floating.

I bet that mental armor would be so heavier then spirit armor.  The heavier armor would force the Knight to walk at Golem speeds.

Since the ghost knight has already been introduced into the game, we will have it stick with it's stats. I personally believe a living knight would be faster (for the sake of running and the unit itself has to be different. However, I don't think that the real knight would have an attack power that high and it might have just a bit more (15) HP it complement it being a living thing. For obvious reasons it wouldn't have physical resistance.

Living Knight Advantages
*Living Knight would have slightly more health then the Ghost Knight, because the living (http://telepath.wikia.com/wiki/Bandit) always seem to have more health then spirits (http://telepath.wikia.com/wiki/Lesser_Ghost).
*Living Knight would also have more attack power because a solid axe would hurt more then a spirit axe.

Ghost Knight Advantages
*Ghost Knights take half the damage from physical attacks due to their physical resistance.
*Being spirits, Ghost Knights can float over water, lava, bolders, pits, and much more to increase their mobility.

Ties
*Because they're both Knights with heavy armor, the slow-moving juggernauts would have the same speed.

Sorry: I'd like to make a comment on the Knights.

What if they're from the Dundar Empire?

Quote from: Duckling on September 18, 2010, 11:27:02 AM
Sorry: I'd like to make a comment on the Knights.

What if they're from the Dundar Empire?

Why are you apologizing?  What is the Dundar Empire?

Pay closer attention to TRPG1.

Can you tell us what the Dundar Empire is then?

Okay; there is about zilch info on the Dundar Empire in TRPG1, and all that is known is that they have Emperors, and probably not Empresses, and that they are close enough and important enough for a Psy Academy student to be reading a history of the Dundar Empire.

Quote from: Duckling on September 18, 2010, 12:53:48 PM
Okay; there is about zilch info on the Dundar Empire in TRPG1, and all that is known is that they have Emperors, and probably not Empresses, and that they are close enough and important enough for a Psy Academy student to be reading a history of the Dundar Empire.

Which student said what about the Dundar Empire?  Are you making stuff up?

Anya. No.