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Title: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: SmartyPants on September 28, 2011, 08:30:20 PM
Why does Qudssi have mental resistance?

Maybe being uncommonly religious makes one resistant to mental attacks.  If faith helps one have mental resistance, then it would explain why some the Cult's Acolytes have mental resistance.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: mezzoforte on September 29, 2011, 10:57:47 AM
I guess it's the power of prayer?
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: ArtDrake on September 29, 2011, 06:32:14 PM
Perhaps, through his devoutness towards the Cult and rejection of the "dark ones," he maintains an effective mental shielding (not to be confused with Mind Shield (http://telepath.wikia.com/wiki/Mind_Shield)); that is, he closes himself off utterly from what he thinks is outside contact.

I would imagine that Ali the Incorrigible, if battled for some reason, would also have mental resistance.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: SmartyPants on September 29, 2011, 11:48:20 PM
I think Ali's ability to prevent scanning is different from mental resistance.  Arman is able to effectively block Malis's scanning, yet he doesn't have mental resistance.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: ArtDrake on September 30, 2011, 10:46:41 PM
Okay, I see that.

Who else has mental resistance?
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: SmartyPants on October 01, 2011, 01:20:58 PM
Unless we get into TT units, I think only Qudssi and Acolytes have mental resistance.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: ArtDrake on October 01, 2011, 07:24:48 PM
Hmm... could the Mental Resistance be a result of devout faith in Yawah? The idea of Yawah in the post-Jabbar hallucination was described as a grand structure that would protect, in an almost paternal way. Perhaps there's something to that.

That would imply, since the same resistance is granted to Qudssi (a believer) and the acolytes, that Yawah is not a conspiracy or a lie, that Cygnus and his acolytes actually believe in Yawah, and that their belief has a measurable effect. Interesting.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: Dean_Lukas on October 01, 2011, 10:15:35 PM
I'd think it was the sincere faith that matters, though that's no guarantee Yawah does exist--just that they all think he does.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: ArtDrake on October 02, 2011, 12:12:30 AM
I'm sort of leaning towards something more manifest; Anu believers didn't all have mental resistance, as far as I know.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: SmartyPants on October 02, 2011, 04:43:47 PM
We haven't see any devote believers in Anu, so it hard to say if mental resistance is caused by faith in Yawah or faith in genreal.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: ArtDrake on October 02, 2011, 11:26:54 PM
Quote from: SmartyPants on October 02, 2011, 04:43:47 PM
We haven't see any devote believers in Anu...

Yeah, physical resistance would have helped them a bit more.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: Duskling on October 03, 2011, 01:53:02 AM
Quote from: Duckling on October 02, 2011, 11:26:54 PM
Yeah, physical resistance would have helped them a bit more.
Oh ho! I see what you did there! :D
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: Dean_Lukas on October 03, 2011, 08:29:53 PM
Quote from: SmartyPants on October 02, 2011, 04:43:47 PM
We haven't see any devote believers in Anu, so it hard to say if mental resistance is caused by faith in Yawah or faith in genreal.

Exactly. The only "believers in Anu" so far are Duvalier's parents, and we know how big an emphasis there is on those quote marks.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: Zackirus on October 03, 2011, 10:05:28 PM
I personally believe that is comes from Wisdom. While the Acolytes are evil (or grossly misinformed) I believe that Cygnus has taught them to be wise. That is why Qudssi, with all his knowledge on man, helps him get mental resistance, he is naturally wise.

The reason I don't say intelligence is that nether Rahel or The Hero (if aptitude is high enough) get mental resistance...
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: ArtDrake on October 03, 2011, 10:13:41 PM
Wisdom? So the Librarian, the Marid Chief, and the Nameless One all ought to have Mental Resistance? I find it an interesting idea, but I'm still leaning towards it having to do with faith, or faith in Yawah in particular.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: SmartyPants on October 04, 2011, 10:47:54 PM
I don't really think that mental resistance is simply from being devote members of the Church of Yawah.  I do think that devote believers do share a mindset that helps protect themselves from mental attacks.


Another theory is that Qudssi's mental resistance is unrelated to the Acolytes' mental resistance.  Acolytes have mental resistance because they are trained to fight those with the Gift, while Qudssi has mental resistance for different reasons.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: ArtDrake on October 06, 2011, 12:29:58 AM
Who presents that theory?
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: SmartyPants on October 06, 2011, 09:43:37 PM
You mean the theory I just made up?
I don't see why it matters who suggested it.  I just threw it out there to encourage people to suggest more ideas.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: ArtDrake on October 11, 2011, 08:17:00 PM
I was just wondering, because it seemed like you had expressed that theory before and that if anyone else supported it and, as such, had new reasons for doing so, I'd be highly interested.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: Zackirus on October 12, 2011, 09:23:55 PM
I still think Wisdom is better option.

Why? Because how does a belief is something that may or may not exist give your mental resistance. If you are wise, you think a lot and are able to control your thoughts very well. In turn, your mind has strengthened and is able to deflect the false information feedback and mindblast send.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: SmartyPants on October 13, 2011, 04:07:02 PM
If it was Wisdom, then wouldn't Cerzak, Dean Lukas, Tastidian, and Nelis and other wise characters have mental resistance.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: Dean_Lukas on October 13, 2011, 04:53:41 PM
I'd argue that firm, genuine belief in something is more helpful to resistance than just being a smart guy.

And I'm speaking as someone very wise. >.>
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: Zackirus on October 13, 2011, 05:06:55 PM
Dean_Lukas: Wisdom and Intelligence aren't the same thing, Wisdom is more self control, more "common sense"

im2smart4u: They should, however mental resistance was created in TSoG/TPA2, not TRPG2, meaning it is impossible to tell.

Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: ArtDrake on October 13, 2011, 05:45:13 PM
If Wisdom is the thing, Griffin, Nameless One, Librarian, Cygnus, and the Hero's father should probably have Mental Resistance.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: Zackirus on October 13, 2011, 07:19:57 PM
I agree that Cygnus, Alder, and The Namless One should have mental resistance, however, we have not seen them in battle so we can't tell. I don't Griffin is wise enough to have mental resistance, I mean (I think) you need to be fairly wise to have mental resistance.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: SmartyPants on October 13, 2011, 10:22:28 PM
Quote from: Zackirus on October 13, 2011, 05:06:55 PMim2smart4u: They should, however mental resistance was created in TSoG/TPA2, not TRPG2, meaning it is impossible to tell.
The White Capes (http://telepath.wikia.com/wiki/White_Cape_(Light)) from TPA2 didn't have mental resistance.  I imagine one would have to gain alot of wisdom to become a white cape.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: Dean_Lukas on October 14, 2011, 03:52:50 PM
Quote from: SmartyPants on October 13, 2011, 10:22:28 PM
Quote from: Zackirus on October 13, 2011, 05:06:55 PMim2smart4u: They should, however mental resistance was created in TSoG/TPA2, not TRPG2, meaning it is impossible to tell.
The White Capes (http://telepath.wikia.com/wiki/White_Cape_(Light)) from TPA2 didn't have mental resistance.  I imagine one would have to gain alot of wisdom to become a white cape.

That's pretty good proof that it's got nothing to do with wisdom, at least for me.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: Zackirus on October 14, 2011, 09:26:07 PM
After reading up on the enemies in TPA2, none of them had any mental resistance; so we can't be sure about white capes until their in TSoG.

Also: If it is faith that gives someone mental resistance then how come Ravinale Acolytes (The Regular Enemies), the Members of the Guard, and the Beggar (if he fought) don't have mental resistance? They believe in something don't they?
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: Idozen Cair on October 15, 2011, 12:04:02 PM
Quote from: Zackirus on October 14, 2011, 09:26:07 PM
After reading up on the enemies in TPA2, none of them had any mental resistance; so we can't be sure about white capes until their in TSoG.

Also: If it is faith that gives someone mental resistance then how come Ravinale Acolytes (The Regular Enemies), the Members of the Guard, and the Beggar (if he fought) don't have mental resistance? They believe in something don't they?
I don't know about the Acolytes, but I do believe the Ravinale Guard doesn't really fight for Yawah, but rather they fight because D'Kah tells them to (or they'll get punished, something like that).
The beggar--perhaps his poor body state doesn't allow him to maintain mental resistance?
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: SmartyPants on October 15, 2011, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: Zackirus on October 14, 2011, 09:26:07 PMAfter reading up on the enemies in TPA2, none of them had any mental resistance; so we can't be sure about white capes until their in TSoG.
Or maybe no one in TPA2 has mental resistance, because no one in TPA2 has strong enough faith.

Quote from: Zackirus on October 14, 2011, 09:26:07 PMAlso: If it is faith that gives someone mental resistance then how come Ravinale Acolytes (The Regular Enemies), the Members of the Guard, and the Beggar (if he fought) don't have mental resistance? They believe in something don't they?
I don't think any of those guys are nearly as relgious as Qudssi or high ranking Acolytes such as Fernatus and Malekahin.  Your examples don't have enough faith for mental resistance.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: Zackirus on October 15, 2011, 09:05:10 PM
What about Luca'ra'il, who firmly beliefs that she is an Angel of Yaweh (Meaning She beliefs in him)?
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: SmartyPants on October 15, 2011, 10:59:30 PM
Luca'ra'il is also a ghost.  According to TT, spirits are weak to mental attack and strong against physical attacks.  Any amount of faith isn't going to change Luca's physical composition.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: Zackirus on October 16, 2011, 08:54:10 PM
It still doesn't make sense though; How can the belief in something that may or may not exist give mental resistance?
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: ArtDrake on October 16, 2011, 10:35:06 PM
If you believe in it, then it exists.

While we're at it, I might as well tell you that devout belief incurs a certain state of mind that is less open to outside influences such as an overload of information or negative thoughts.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: Zackirus on October 17, 2011, 01:25:43 AM
I belief that the earth is flat, therefore, it is flat

I have a different idea about what gives you mental resistance now. Maybe Close Minded people have mental resistance compared to those who believe in Yaweh.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: SmartyPants on October 17, 2011, 04:15:39 PM
Quote from: Zackirus on October 17, 2011, 01:25:43 AMI have a different idea about what gives you mental resistance now. Maybe Close Minded people have mental resistance compared to those who believe in Yaweh.
I think you are on the right track, but Qudssi doens't seem ver closed minded to me.  He joined the Resistance to philosophia and learn.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: ArtDrake on October 17, 2011, 08:55:48 PM
And yes, Zackirus: if you believe the world is flat, your world is flat.
Title: Re: Qudssi's Mental Resistance
Post by: SmartyPants on November 12, 2011, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: Zackirus on October 14, 2011, 09:26:07 PMAlso: If it is faith that gives someone mental resistance then how come Ravinale Acolytes (The Regular Enemies) don't have mental resistance? They believe in something don't they?
Ravinale Acolytes (http://telepath.wikia.com/wiki/Ravinale_Acolyte_(Enemy)) do have mental resistance, since they take less damage from mind blast then other units.