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Title: Yawah
Post by: Steelfist on April 20, 2010, 09:29:02 AM
I was wondering exactly who or what yawah is; Is he even real, or just a fabrication of the cult?

More importantly, if he is real, will you get to fight him? Fighting a god... Brilliant!

One interesting fact; Yawah is very similar to the word yahweh, which means, in the hebrew bible, the 'One True God'.

I wonder if Craig knew that when he began designing the game, or simply took it from the hundreds of books that have used the name yawah as the name of a god, for their story.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: SmartyPants on April 20, 2010, 12:03:31 PM
I was wondering exactly who or what yawah is; Is he even real, or just a fabrication of the cult?
Couldn't you ask that the same question about any religion and not really know the answer?
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: torugo on April 20, 2010, 01:35:39 PM
it explains who yawah is depending on what you say in the intro but i dont know if we fight him
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: MikeW781 on April 20, 2010, 03:02:57 PM
i think he is an incredibly powerful spirit, and has begun to ask mortals to worship him.
Fighting him is likely, mabye the battles with Yawah and D'Kah will be done like the Tastidian/Nelis battles where you have to fight through D'Kah to reach Yawah
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: CraigStern on April 20, 2010, 03:34:40 PM
I wonder if Craig knew that when he began designing the game, or simply took it from the hundreds of books that have used the name yawah as the name of a god, for their story.

The former. :)
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Guye on April 24, 2010, 11:16:33 PM
I was wondering exactly who or what yawah is; Is he even real, or just a fabrication of the cult?
Couldn't you ask that the same question about any religion and not really know the answer?

But in games you actually CAN get an answer. Will you? Who knows?

i think he is an incredibly powerful spirit, and has begun to ask mortals to worship him.
Fighting him is likely, mabye the battles with Yawah and D'Kah will be done like the Tastidian/Nelis battles where you have to fight through D'Kah to reach Nelis

Somehow, I like this idea. Though I certainly don't hope after fighting D'Kah I go up against Nelis, which I assume was a typo on your part... unless you mean the Spirit of Nelis?!?!
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: MikeW781 on April 25, 2010, 06:34:05 AM
The spirit of Nelis would be a cool Easter Egg, but that WAS a typo
sorry
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: SmartyPants on April 25, 2010, 07:40:23 AM
If I had to guess,  Cygnus and his Acolytes use thier psy powers to make it seem like "Yawah" is blessing people and granting its followers with special powers.  They are getting rid of psys, so one one can say "they are using psy powers, so Yawah isn't real"
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: MikeW781 on April 25, 2010, 09:07:49 AM
I believe that while this may be the case for some, many people that actually use Psy powers might believe that they are just channeling power from Yawah, unlike their foes. Prehaps even Cygnus believed he was using Yawahs powers, not Psy abilities
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Guye on April 25, 2010, 10:56:48 PM
You could go on the unlikely offshoot that Yawah is in fact this world's god. That he grants his followers special powers that are similar but still not the same as the psy's. That (at least in this god's opinion) psy's are evil. Or perhaps, the god is pissed that some humans are naturally obtaining abilities that it restricts to its devout. No body says the god has to be nice. I definitely could see Yawah ending up being real in this game, but is that the most likely answer? Probably not.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Steelfist on April 26, 2010, 11:44:51 AM
Oh, COME ON! You HAVE to have a fight with Yawah; I think everyone who plays the telepath series will be bitterly disappointed if you don't get to. I know I will.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Guye on April 26, 2010, 12:01:26 PM
Probably, but the question is who or what Yawah actually is? Or maybe there is no Yawah, but something else just as amusing. Don't underestimate our esteemed writer. I very much doubt that he will disappoint.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Zhampir on April 26, 2010, 12:32:52 PM
Yeah... so this would be Yawah's expression if he/she/it's exposed

(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/funny-pictures-adorable-kitten.jpg)

lol...
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: torugo on May 04, 2010, 05:12:12 PM
fighting yawah would be fun but if he really is a god then there is no guaranty of victory
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Steelfist on May 06, 2010, 01:14:05 PM
That's the point! By the time you get to the end of the game, virtually nothing can challenge you! Take TPRG 2. It required a apparently immortal spirit to even make you pause. And the battle was still pretty easy, I must admit.

I very much hope that you get to fight Yawah. It would be fun.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Zhampir on May 06, 2010, 06:47:48 PM
heh... I still think it's a person behind a mask. Being a god... would draw a lot of parallelism with TRG 2 as Steelfist pointed out, and it's a believable twist to the story. There's all ways the very real possibility that we will simply never know. Perhaps there is a man behind the mask, and then the real Yawah talks to us or something... some clue that keeps the player guessing. Which is likely going to be how it is, as it's one of the main points of TSoG, to explore the existence of god. I doubt Mr. Stern will make such a definitive statement as "there is a god" or "there is no god", as this is a sensitive topic and will likely limit the market of his future games severely.

Though, the "I guess we will never know" endings are all ways horrible. So, I can't wait for Mr. Sterns undoubtedly creative and unique ending to the game.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: .:Light-God:. on May 07, 2010, 07:33:03 AM
I don't think Craig should tell you because it'll ruin the surprise. And i like surprises. (And i don't mean Screaming Pop-ups. I hate them.) So i'm happy with not fighting Yawah or Fighting Him!  :)
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: LukasFest on May 08, 2010, 07:43:06 AM
I would say that like in Telepath 2, perhaps you could choose between siding with your mother (who believes in yawah) and fight the resistance or siding with your father (who hates cultists). But actually no one knows.
I wish Craig luck in finding a good ending!
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: torugo on May 08, 2010, 07:48:31 AM
youre mother is not on the cult side. she was just telling youre father that he couldnt judge people on what there religion is and when youre mother yelled out HAIL YAWAH she was on some kind of drug
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Zhampir on May 08, 2010, 07:57:26 AM
Still, LukasFest is very likely right in their being a choice to make. After all, why include a dialogue tree if it will serve no consequences in the end?
Whether you side with the cult or not, makes no difference, because it still needs to include the elements of seeing if there is a god or not, and logically, a fight with "Yawah" as a figurehead with some indication that there may be a god leaving them with a "I guess we'll never know" makes sense (at least in my point of view) This doesn't have to be the end of the game (typically a fight with a "god" would be the climax of the story). I don't see TSoG coming out as a chapter of a series with a to-be-continued ending so I do think we will be fighting Yawah.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: LukasFest on May 08, 2010, 10:34:13 AM
Why fighting? Either the cultists are misleaded or there really is a god. And we don't know, who can say?
And even Craig can't say "There is a god" or "There is no god". We need to decide ourselfs, like in real life.
And TRPG: SoG would not be an RPG if we were not able to make decisions.
We can't fight someone if we do not know he exists.
I'd say we will be ending up making a decision.

However, TRPG: SoG is going to be an uniqe Inidie RPG of the Telepath series.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Steelfist on May 08, 2010, 01:55:06 PM
There is going to have to be some sort of boss fight in the end; why not yawah?
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: SmartyPants on May 08, 2010, 02:18:24 PM
Maybe Yawah is really a gaint, invisible kumquat named Harold
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: .:Light-God:. on May 08, 2010, 02:26:42 PM
He may aswell be in spirit form like Luca but more Tougher!
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: LukasFest on May 09, 2010, 12:13:20 AM
We could also fight Cygnus, the "prophet".
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Mopman on May 09, 2010, 07:17:46 AM
you know, in any other game, id bet 5 bucks that the god was a giant invisible cumquat named harold. ;D
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: .:Light-God:. on May 09, 2010, 09:00:46 AM
I think the god was a Harold God named Cumquat :D
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: FlyingFinn on May 27, 2010, 06:37:38 AM
What at first came to my mind was that there would be some kind of juxtapositioning between Anu and Yawah, Anu as defender of knowledge and wisdom and Yawah as one trying to hide those from human. And I also thought that what if Cult actually doesn´t work... umm... as it works because of its religion. Maybe their religion is just betrayal created by some cabal to get power?
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Idozen Cair on December 31, 2010, 09:53:19 AM
Er... I've heard people posting something about another god named Anu. Is there really that god (I mean if it's mentioned in the game)?
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: bugfartboy on December 31, 2010, 10:33:31 AM
Yes. You just need to pay attention to the dialogue. Anu is what the Cult is tying to drive out as well as Dark Ones.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: ArtDrake on December 31, 2010, 02:29:56 PM
I don't think there will be a fight between Yawah and Duvalier, because Craig is trying to make a point with the game, and will probably just leave us with doubt. Reasonable doubt.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: SmartyPants on December 31, 2010, 03:06:14 PM
I think the Cult of Yawah was a real religion before Cygnus took it over by claiming to be a prophet.  Much like Joseph Smith, Cygnus claimed to be a prophet of an established religion in order to use the religion's followers to gain power.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: HeadShot on January 02, 2011, 11:16:33 AM
i think he is an incredibly powerful spirit, and has begun to ask mortals to worship him.
Fighting him is likely, mabye the battles with Yawah and D'Kah will be done like the Tastidian/Nelis battles where you have to fight through D'Kah to reach Yawah

[spoiler=Tastidian/Nelis]I thiugh you fight D'Kah first then after some enemys you fight Cygnus[/spoiler]

Also, that would just be awesome if you could fight Yawah. But I thought Cygnus was the final boss!
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: bugfartboy on January 02, 2011, 12:14:26 PM
Yawah may be real. If so, does anyone remember the idea of forum goers being enemies in the game and Craig being an Easter egg boss? Am I the only one who remember the uber attack for Craig that ended the game in his favor with a speech bubble saying "I win! Noobz!" or something along those lines? Well, maybe the ending could be something along the lines where Yawah has immunity to every attack but shield attacks (oddly) and health somewhere along the lines of 900. And then, at turn 30 or so, Yawah could get angry and have a speech bubble that says,"Ha! I can only be beaten on Brutal! Feel my wrath!" and destroys all the surviving teammates and/or army members.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: cyso on January 02, 2011, 02:17:37 PM
That would be a really weird ending.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: bugfartboy on January 02, 2011, 05:05:02 PM
But you have to admit, to some people, who doesn't want to finish a game that you payed for? Then people will keep playing until they beat Yawah on brutal.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: cyso on January 02, 2011, 05:55:35 PM
Or, they would get annoyed and not buy any of Craig's games.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: bugfartboy on April 12, 2011, 09:25:24 PM
It's been released that the final boss is Cygnus. I guess no more speculation.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Duskling on April 13, 2011, 07:13:18 AM
It's been released that the final boss is Cygnus. I guess no more speculation.
Maybe he uses a Psychic illusion or something to look like a deity, making him tougher than his "Primary" form.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Visitor on April 29, 2011, 10:59:51 PM
Yawah is most likely an allusion to Yahweh the name for god in the Old Testament. Considering the game does have some middle-eastern style/influence it kind of makes sense.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Duskling on April 29, 2011, 11:05:42 PM
Welcome to the forum, Visitor, I hope you enjoy your stay, and keep the peace by obeying the rules and using proper grammar and punctuation. :)
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: bugfartboy on April 30, 2011, 06:27:11 AM
Yawah is most likely an allusion to Yahweh the name for god in the Old Testament. Considering the game does have some middle-eastern style/influence it kind of makes sense.

When previously asked about it, Craig said that that's what it's based off of. So he meant for Yawah to be similar to it.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Keeper of Ultima on July 11, 2011, 12:36:20 PM
Yawah might really be the final boss. Nelis was practically a goddess in TRPG2.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Zackirus on July 11, 2011, 01:18:29 PM
Yawah might really be the final boss. Nelis was practically a goddess in TRPG2.

I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news, but the Final Boss is not Yawah.

The Final Boss Is...

If You Don't Want to Ruin The Game, Don't Click

[spoiler]
Last Chance
[spoiler]
Cygnus (http://sinisterdesign.net/?p=823 (http://sinisterdesign.net/?p=823))
[/spoiler]
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: ArtDrake on July 11, 2011, 06:27:49 PM
I think we knew that from the title of the boss music. If that's what that's a link to, I feel silly.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: bugfartboy on July 11, 2011, 08:37:44 PM
It's not. I already clicked it. :/ It just revealed the Answer.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Deagonx on July 12, 2011, 04:22:20 AM
Maybe he was a creation of the cult to manipulate the masses.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Tastidian on July 18, 2011, 01:38:47 AM
I was wondering exactly who or what yawah is; Is he even real, or just a fabrication of the cult?
Couldn't you ask that the same question about any religion and not really know the answer?
You might as well ask why Scientology is a religion.
Yawah I think is just a figure used for mass propaganda like Hitler used against the Jews. The cult can easily take control that way or at least with less stress. 
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Sir Bodnaruk on August 17, 2011, 05:59:49 PM
I think Yawah was just a lie in order for Cygnus and other cult members to gain power.

Cygnus and other members of the cult are powerful psys. They purge other psys because they wouldn't want such a threat to stand against them.

Right after you defeat the bandits and a strange voice talks to you alone this could be evidence of a very powerful psy speaking to you over a great distance. A.K.A Cygnus.

Evidence to support the fact that The cult members are actually a bunch of powerful psy members is that [spoiler]if you choice to side with the cult during the "Raid the Armory" mission you get an end game message detailing your rise within the cult and the fact that they accept the fact you're a psy. I believe you even become very close with Cygnus.[/spoiler]

Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Timman183 on February 08, 2012, 06:39:48 PM
That's the point! By the time you get to the end of the game, virtually nothing can challenge you! Take TPRG 2. It required a apparently immortal spirit to even make you pause. And the battle was still pretty easy, I must admit.

I very much hope that you get to fight Yawah. It would be fun.

Plus "nameless one" who is believed to have killed nelis is the one training Hero anyway so if his wisdom is passed into the next god killer.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Chocobo_Fan on February 20, 2012, 11:22:51 AM
Hm. Well, as of the full game's ending:
[spoiler]
It's still open-ended. Cygnus isn't Yahweh, as I thought originally. In fact, you can talk him down during the final battle by besting him in a theological debate. So he seems to honestly believe in Yahweh -- he isn't simply making it up for his own gain. But then, how is he a "prophet"? Where do his visions come from? Where did the vision after the bandit mission come from? He also uses very strange abilities when you fight him -- he is able to make copies of himself, create solid state shields, and even perform a mass teleportation. Now granted, we don't know the actual limitations of psychic powers in this setting, but that seems like something out of the ordinary to me. The fact that he has Mass Juxtapose, a spirit-based ability, also lends credence to his gaining powers by another source. Still, I do like the theory that the cultists are psys who don't realize they're psys -- they think their powers are divinely granted. But then, where did those high-level Scans that the Nameless One mentioned come from?! Agh...
The ending is just so unsatisfying! :( I really hope we get a sequel, there are just too many things left open.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Zackirus on February 20, 2012, 12:33:26 PM
The ending is just so unsatisfying!

Craig left it open for that reason; and,  I finally understand what Craig thinks about religion. It's not about being 'right' or 'wrong' in terms of your God. It's about what your religion does as a whole to other people, does it help the poor or kill Heretics?
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Chocobo_Fan on February 20, 2012, 01:25:37 PM
I can see why Craig left the "big question" open, but my main objection was to the little details. I don't mind the game being ambiguous on the existence of Yahwah -- that's kind of the point -- but weird things like the visions definitely happened. There's also the matter of Fernatus and Malekahin knowing the Resistance's plans in advance despite the Nameless One running obfuscation, plus the high-level Scan he mentioned, which is evidence of a psy. Those things definitely happened and must have a tangible explanation. These dangling plot threads aren't necessarily related to the big question of Yahwah's existence, yet they're all dropped without a further mention. This just bothers me.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: CraigStern on February 20, 2012, 01:42:59 PM
As Zackirus suggests, I don't want there to be a satisfying, pat answer for the question "does Yawah exist?"

If you want a non-religious explanation for the visions, you may recall that Rahel offers you one shortly after you have them. As for the other stuff...I prefer to keep my mouth shut for the time being. :)
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Zackirus on February 20, 2012, 02:46:07 PM
...but weird things like the visions definitely happened.

As Rahel mentions, it could possibly be just dehydration. However, another possibility is that their is a God in the Telepath Universe (A.K.A: Craig Stren :P) and chooses to revel himself to people at different times. However, it is up to a person to interpret that message.

...There's also the matter of Fernatus and Malekahin knowing the Resistance's plans in advance despite the Nameless One running obfuscation...

Their are many types of Psys in the Telepath Universe, one type is a Seer, an example of which is http://telepath.wikia.com/wiki/Malignus_(Spriggat) (http://Malignus), who are able to see the future, or in Malignus' case be able to relive it, however, they might been able to see the future.

...plus the high-level Scan he mentioned, which is evidence of a psy. Those things definitely happened and must have a tangible explanation.

As the trainer says, their is a difference between lying and self delusion
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: SmartyPants on February 20, 2012, 03:02:39 PM
I found Cygnus more relatable when I leaned that his actions are motivated by an actually belief in Yawah. Cygnus would be much more evil if wanted to grab power, and then used religious beliefs to do so.

Long story short, Cygnus didn't make up a religion or Yawah.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: Chocobo_Fan on February 20, 2012, 04:57:06 PM
As for the other stuff...I prefer to keep my mouth shut for the time being. :)

Is that a hint of a sequel I hear? :D

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Their are many types of Psys in the Telepath Universe, one type is a Seer, an example of which is http://telepath.wikia.com/wiki/Malignus_(Spriggat), who are able to see the future, or in Malignus' case be able to relive it, however, they might been able to see the future.

Ah, I see. That would fit with the theory that they're psys but don't realize it. That would mean that Cygnus is just a very powerful Seer who thinks that his visions are granted to him by Yahwah.

Alternatively, we could take a middle option that I think someone proposed earlier: Yahwah can grant the powers of the Gift to devout believers, but people who are born with the Gift are anomalies, and that's why Yahwah hates them.
Title: Re: Yawah
Post by: SmartyPants on February 20, 2012, 07:39:35 PM
Their are many types of Psys in the Telepath Universe, one type is a Seer, an example of which is Malignus (http://telepath.wikia.com/wiki/Malignus_(Spriggat)), who are able to see the future, or in Malignus' case be able to relive it, however, they might been able to see the future.
I don't know think that "Seer" is a real psy class.  I think Some Other Guy make up a class (http://telepath.wikia.com/index.php?title=Malignus_%28Spriggat%29&action=historysubmit&diff=7598&oldid=6399) and added it to the wiki.