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Title: shadowling life span
Post by: torugo on June 03, 2010, 06:50:16 PM
something that has been bothering me is how old  a shadowling get before it passess away. if malis can live over 50 years and still remain young how old can one get in the senior age.
Title: Re: shadowling life span
Post by: Duskling on June 03, 2010, 06:55:19 PM
I've noticed how many a post about Shadowling life have been made recently, but that's beside the point, most likely, they are around 1-30 when red, but that may change thanks to im2smart4u, 30-60 when purple, 60-85 or so when blue, and 85-x when green, and they should die, given that they most likely live longer than humans, I'd say they live up to maybe 120-150/200 years (unless they are at that very powerful level where they glow, then maybe longer).
Title: Re: Shadowling Life Spans
Post by: SmartyPants on June 03, 2010, 08:34:04 PM
There is so little information on shadowling ages that any speculation on shadowling ages wouldn't even qualify as educated guesses.  One can make an assumption of shadowling ages when we see the color of TRPG2 shadowlings in TSoG.
Title: Re: shadowling life span
Post by: Barzul on June 04, 2010, 12:31:32 AM
And besides, in the old forum we discussed it and it was decided that how healthy a shadowling is can affect their color. Like a shadowling in the army who is out doing things everyday and getting plenty of humans to eat will stay red for years longer than a sedentary, stays-in-the-cave-all-day and junk food eating (ha... maybe animal thoughts like shadow bugs are junk food to them) shadowling.
Title: Re: shadowling life span
Post by: torugo on June 05, 2010, 05:41:11 PM
not everyone here was part of the old forums barzul
Title: Re: shadowling life span
Post by: Barzul on June 06, 2010, 12:37:27 AM
I know.  ;) Thats why I posted the explanation.
Title: Re: shadowling life span
Post by: Slstoev on June 21, 2010, 11:13:00 PM
Maybe it varies from wich brood or blood( or whatever they have instead of blood) or it depends how big is the shadowling but I also agree for the clor variations.
Title: Re: shadowling life span
Post by: KZ on June 24, 2010, 05:02:13 PM
From what was discussed back on the old forums, basing arguments on what we see of in TRPG2 and drawing on small details (like Cerzak and Gen Darkeye both going to the same Psy Academy), we collectively guesstimated that the Shadowlings can live for several hundred years. From TSoG we can see that Malis has participated in those beauty contests for about 50 years and drawing on the parallel with humans in real world, that would be talking about, typically, of a 10-15 year span? Still, im2msart4u is right- too little info to make any particular suggestions, but a lot of small details are indicative of much longer lifespans than those of humans.


PS
V  Yes, indeed, that was a typo.
Title: Re: shadowling life span
Post by: Duskling on June 24, 2010, 05:08:51 PM
From what was discussed back on the old forums, basing arguments on what we see of in TRPG2 and drawing on small details (like Cerzak and Gen Tastidian both going to the same Psy Academy), we collectively guesstimated that the Shadowlings can live for several hundred years. From TSoG we can see that Malis has participated in those beauty contests for about 50 years and drawing on the parallel with humans in real world, that would be talking about, typically, of a 10-15 year span? Still, im2msart4u is right- too little info to make any particular suggestions, but a lot of small details are indicative of much longer lifespans than those of humans.
Don't you mean Gen. Darkeye?
Title: Re: shadowling life span
Post by: Tastidian on June 30, 2010, 10:49:39 PM
Has anyone ever thought shadowling years is different from human years? You know like dog and human years.
Title: Re: shadowling life span
Post by: torugo on July 01, 2010, 06:12:55 PM
yes which is why i started this topic
Title: Re: shadowling life span
Post by: KZ on July 02, 2010, 03:04:23 PM
That, Tastidian is, in effect, what has been under discussion: the fact that Shadowlings have a much longer lifespan and therefore it is possible, when we have more data, to form a simple y=ax relationship between the "human" and "Shadowling" year equivalents (like you do with cats, dogs and humans, translating "dog age" into "human age" by militplying it by some number).
Title: Re: shadowling life span
Post by: Bromtaghon on July 02, 2010, 03:06:56 PM
I thought that the whole human/dog year isn't exactly as simple as multiplying it by a variable? I think the variable changed over time or at a certain point, or something like that...

In any case, if any of the named Shadowlings appear in TSoG, we'll have some more information, but as of now, all we know is that Tastidian lived for at least four years, which tells us... absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: shadowling life span
Post by: Tastidian on July 05, 2010, 11:08:47 PM
You know I noticed that malis said over the past 50 years she won three awards but that doesn't mean she existed that long. So our calculations here may not be that accurate. To me it seems from 200-2000
Title: Re: shadowling life span
Post by: MikeW781 on July 06, 2010, 09:07:52 AM
You know I noticed that malis said over the past 50 years she won three awards but that doesn't mean she existed that long.
So....... you're saying that she can win awards but not exist?
Title: Re: shadowling life span
Post by: KZ on July 06, 2010, 03:31:12 PM
Mmmm, I have to go along mike781 here- I think it's pretty clear from the dialogue and her personality that she'll want to show off a little and use the most impressive stats on hand- 3 awards in 20 years sounds probably more impressive than "just" 3 in 50. Plus, no one really includes time before their birth, unless they add something to the extent of "no one, apart from me recently managed to..." Whilst the dialogue implies that she personally participated in 50 contests (or more/less, depending how often they take place) throughout all these years. And it has been hinted before in TRPG2 that Shadowlings live for much longer than humans, so 50 years might seem like a little time to them.

The way Shadowboxer and Darkling refer to Nelis, and the implication that she lived for thousands of years is indicative of Shadowling lifespan being much shorter, say in the lower hundreds (they mention rumours, almost myths, that she created a Shadowling race, and look at how much Nelis is different physiologically, at least outwardly, from the other Shadowlings- surely both these things take a lot of time and a lot of generation changes of species to take place?).
Title: Re: shadowling life span
Post by: Tastidian on July 06, 2010, 09:42:00 PM
You know I noticed that malis said over the past 50 years she won three awards but that doesn't mean she existed that long.
So....... you're saying that she can win awards but not exist?

No not at all what I meant. I mean she could have won those awards over just that time period. It doesn't mean she has only lived that long.

If i missed something in the dialog I missed that points out she has lived only that long do tell cause that will clear this up.
Title: Re: shadowling life span
Post by: Bromtaghon on July 08, 2010, 09:54:52 PM
So, if I understand correctly, when you said
You know I noticed that malis said over the past 50 years she won three awards but that doesn't mean she existed that long.

you mean, Malis said she won three awards in 50 years, but that doesn't mean she's only lived 50 years? I think that's actually pretty obvious.
Title: Re: shadowling life span
Post by: Tastidian on July 08, 2010, 10:34:54 PM
Yes I'm referring to her she could be 100 for all we know
Title: Re: shadowling life span
Post by: KZ on July 11, 2010, 05:07:45 AM
I think it is pretty safe to assume that she didn't participate in the beauty contests since she was a newborn. Making an analogy with humans, it would seem logical that she'd reach the age of circa 20 and go until  30+ human year equivalnets in participating in those beauty contests. Giving that she is just going purple, judging from her reaction about her colour, I'd say that she'd be around 40-45 in human year equivalents. This might be used to get a rough estimates of how long shadowlings can live for, though there is that issue of Lala saying that Shadowlings age in a much more slower fashion- whether that translates nicely into the human lifespan-shadowling lifespan relative ratios of how long each species lives (ie they're considered as "old" for the same proportion of their lives as humans are), or whether she compares the direct number of years spent in the "aging" category, is unknown.