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Title: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: Deagonx on September 13, 2011, 07:38:46 PM
I heard on the radio that it was being pushed for Fast Food restaurants to accept food stamps.

Do you agree that fast food restaurants should accept food stamps? Why or why not?


I am against it. Fast Food is a luxury. It, while being good, is quite expensive and *not* a legitimate use for someone who is getting free stuff from the government.

I might hear the argument "Well poor people like fast food to!" but even so, it isn't like these people live off of their food stamps. If they want a treat of sorts they should use their real money to do it, not government money.


Your thoughts?
Title: Re: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: Idozen Cair on September 14, 2011, 03:57:35 AM
I'm not from where you're from (USA, is it?) so I don't know too much about this. Are food stamps similar to ration tickets? Like those during wartimes?
Title: Re: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: SmartyPants on September 14, 2011, 03:57:13 PM
Food Stamps are a form of wellfare.  It helps low income families who are unable or unwilling to spend money on a recommended amount of nutritional food to be able to feed their families better.  I worked at a grocery store, so I saw some of the benefits and flaws of the system.  My biggest issue was the huge amount of people who pay for food with food stamps and then pay cash for cigarettes and beer.  Cheaper foods are usually not as healthy as more expensive foods.  Since bad parents will always find money to buy cigarettes and beer, they would normally without food stamps buy sodas instead of milk, kool-aid instead of fruit concentrate, and other cheaper, unhealthy substitutes for thier kids.  SNAPS has a policy of not allowing people to buy "hot food", because hot food in more expensive because one would have to pay extra for someone else cooking it.  The taxpayers shouldn't pay for luxury of other people eating out (that includes fast food).  Also, SNAP in run by the states, so each has their own polices and rules.
Title: Re: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: ArtDrake on September 14, 2011, 05:27:48 PM
I'm not sure how I feel about food stamps in general. However, I think that fast food defeats the purpose of food stamps, and that the use of food stamps should be limited to nutricious foods. I understand the difficulties in implementing that sort of policy.
Title: Re: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: SmartyPants on September 14, 2011, 08:31:05 PM
I understand the difficulties in implementing that sort of policy.
You know that food stamps aren't stamps anymore?  They use a debit card that sends purchase information to a government agency.
Title: Re: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: Deagonx on September 15, 2011, 03:46:50 AM
I'm not from where you're from (USA, is it?) so I don't know too much about this. Are food stamps similar to ration tickets? Like those during wartimes?

No it is generally just a form of welfare. They give you food stamps (or a debit card now, apparently) that you can spend at local grocery stores.
Title: Re: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: ArtDrake on September 15, 2011, 03:17:06 PM
Yes, SmartyPants, I was aware of that. I was actually referring to a policy on which foods were nutricious; no one wants to be un-nutricious and lose their customers, so the corporate lobby will have the regulation be lax to the extent of being ineffective, does this go through.
Title: Re: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: Deagonx on September 16, 2011, 08:11:52 PM
Yes, SmartyPants, I was aware of that. I was actually referring to a policy on which foods were nutricious; no one wants to be un-nutricious and lose their customers, so the corporate lobby will have the regulation be lax to the extent of being ineffective, does this go through.

My level of interpretation is below your last few sentences. What are you trying to say?
Title: Re: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: SmartyPants on September 18, 2011, 11:58:46 AM
Duckling's wording doesn't make sense to me too.
Title: Re: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: ArtDrake on September 20, 2011, 03:37:50 PM
Okay, first: I'm a grammar Nazi, and your sentence really should look like: "Duckling's wording doesn't make sense to me, either."

Second, I did fail to punctuate with commas in helpful locations, so I'll try again:

"I was referring to the making of a policy which might determine a dichotomy of foods nutricious and not so; no food supplier or manufacturer wishes to be classified in that latter part of that dichotomy, and thus lose customers who utilize the food stamp system. As such, the corporate lobby composed of food suppliers and manufacturers whose foods might be considered not to be nutricious by a new policy that determined whether or not they were, indeed, nutricious would actively try to prevent such a policy from taking hold -- it would hurt their business interests -- and thus render any remnant of the original policy, were it to go through, completely useless."

I hope that ambiguity in meaning due to synonyms and a lack of commas has been resolved, and my elaboration upon my ideas has helped to do so as well.
Title: Re: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: SmartyPants on September 20, 2011, 05:01:35 PM
Okay, first: I'm a grammar Nazi, and your sentence really should look like: "Duckling's wording doesn't make sense to me, either."
I did that intentionally to be humorous.
Title: Re: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: ArtDrake on September 21, 2011, 08:06:38 PM
Oh. Further mangling would have been advisable in order to make more people laugh or smirk. Grammar is a strong point of mine, and subtlety... isn't.
Title: Re: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: Deagonx on September 22, 2011, 07:15:05 PM
Okay, first: I'm a grammar Nazi, and your sentence really should look like: "Duckling's wording doesn't make sense to me, either."

Second, I did fail to punctuate with commas in helpful locations, so I'll try again:

"I was referring to the making of a policy which might determine a dichotomy of foods nutricious and not so; no food supplier or manufacturer wishes to be classified in that latter part of that dichotomy, and thus lose customers who utilize the food stamp system. As such, the corporate lobby composed of food suppliers and manufacturers whose foods might be considered not to be nutricious by a new policy that determined whether or not they were, indeed, nutricious would actively try to prevent such a policy from taking hold -- it would hurt their business interests -- and thus render any remnant of the original policy, were it to go through, completely useless."

I hope that ambiguity in meaning due to synonyms and a lack of commas has been resolved, and my elaboration upon my ideas has helped to do so as well.


And how is this relative to food stamps and fast food?
Title: Re: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: SmartyPants on September 22, 2011, 09:15:06 PM
And how is this relative to food stamps and fast food?
I think he is saying that lobbyist convince lawmakers to allow food stamps to be used on unhealthy food.
Title: Re: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: Deagonx on September 23, 2011, 01:34:58 PM
And how is this relative to food stamps and fast food?
I think he is saying that lobbyist convince lawmakers to allow food stamps to be used on unhealthy food.

Well even so I don't really care that McDonalds is unhealthy, and that isn't why I'm opposed to the use of food stamps there.
Title: Re: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: SmartyPants on September 23, 2011, 07:48:51 PM
Well even so I don't really care that McDonalds is unhealthy, and that isn't why I'm opposed to the use of food stamps there.
I don't know about you, but I am more concerned about the extra cost involved.
Title: Re: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: Deagonx on September 23, 2011, 09:08:29 PM
Well even so I don't really care that McDonalds is unhealthy, and that isn't why I'm opposed to the use of food stamps there.
I don't know about you, but I am more concerned about the extra cost involved.

Ditto.
Title: Re: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: ArtDrake on September 25, 2011, 01:59:40 PM
I think he is saying that lobbyist[s would] convince lawmakers to allow food stamps to be used on unhealthy food.

Pretty much. That appears to be what the present issue is.

No matter how hard we try to give hungry nutritionally challenged children healthy foods, lobbyists come in and say that it's unfair, and that we should give fast food to hungry nutritionally challenged children.
Title: Re: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: Deagonx on September 29, 2011, 06:04:00 PM
I'm confused. Are you for the usage of food stamps (food debit card) at Fast Food Restaurants or against?
Title: Re: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: ArtDrake on September 30, 2011, 07:27:40 PM
Rather against.
Title: Re: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: bugfartboy on October 09, 2011, 11:22:17 AM
Rather against.

I'm not (planning on) getting into the discussion, but I'd like to say that this is one of those rare moments when the duck and I are in agreement.
Title: Re: Food Stamps - Valid at Fast Food Restaurants?
Post by: ArtDrake on October 13, 2011, 03:41:01 PM
For somewhat different reasons, I'd venture, but yes; we appear to be in agreement.