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Forum Games / Re: The Three-Word Story Game
« on: March 20, 2011, 06:10:43 PM »
There were five hundred thousand people who really hated each other.
One day the big bad gray wolf decided he would eat all of the sixteen sheep. The people united and protested against the annoying wolf who then went huff-huff-puff and blew his nose at the oddly-shaped pigeon, who decided to kill the wolf and die quietly in an alley, because he was very drunk, and his plan worked.
But then he- j/k, it worked.  And again he killed himself and then his spirit and the wolf pondered the meaning of twenty fireflies and fifty snakes who saved Cyprus but destroyed all of Luxembourg's alliance, and then Cyprus, by tripping on a bomb that said 'DO NOT HELP CYPRUS LIVE!' Which didn't make any sense, but ate anyway, destroyed a Pizza Hut for all.
This is SPARTA and we kick your behinds. The pentamyriad shoe ate a pickle wearing a pirate hat, and we all rejoiced. But, just then a very big and hairy monster rained explosive diarrhea. Then everyone puked yellow spriggats and pissed of LethalLaurie. Which made a certifiably DISGUSTING display.
The next morning, everyone was very upset because the spriggats had destroyed the Muffin King's omelet stand with

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Forum Games / Re: The Three-Word Story Game
« on: March 20, 2011, 05:51:27 PM »
There were five hundred thousand people who really hated each other.
One day the big bad gray wolf decided he would eat all of the sixteen sheep. The people united and protested against the annoying wolf who then went huff-huff-puff and blew his nose at the oddly-shaped pigeon, who decided to kill the wolf and die quietly in an alley, because he was very drunk, and his plan worked.
But then he- j/k, it worked.  And again he killed himself and then his spirit and the wolf pondered the meaning of twenty fireflies and fifty snakes who saved Cyprus but destroyed all of Luxembourg's alliance, and then Cyprus, by tripping on a bomb that said 'DO NOT HELP CYPRUS LIVE!' Which didn't make any sense, but ate anyway, destroyed a Pizza Hut for all.
This is SPARTA and we kick your behinds. The pentamyriad shoe ate a pickle wearing a pirate hat, and we all rejoiced. But, just then a very big and hairy monster rained explosive diarrhea. Then everyone puked yellow spriggats and pissed of LethalLaurie. Which made a certifiably DISGUSTING display.
The next morning, everyone was very upset because the spriggats had destroyed

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Forum Games / Re: Corrupt a Wish Foundation
« on: March 20, 2011, 05:50:22 PM »
Granted. It's about the size of the one I had last night (the radius was about the length of my thumb) so you go hungry.
I wish I did my homework.

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Forum Games / Re: Corrupt a Wish Foundation
« on: March 20, 2011, 05:37:20 PM »
Granted, it's done by the stupidest and most person I can find.
I wish I had an infinite amount of time to do my homework.

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Forum Games / Re: The Three-Word Story Game
« on: March 20, 2011, 05:36:07 PM »
There were five hundred thousand people who really hated each other.
One day the big bad gray wolf decided he would eat all of the sixteen sheep. The people united and protested against the annoying wolf who then went huff-huff-puff and blew his nose at the oddly-shaped pigeon, who decided to kill the wolf and die quietly in an alley, because he was very drunk, and his plan worked.
But then he- j/k, it worked.  And again he killed himself and then his spirit and the wolf pondered the meaning of twenty fireflies and fifty snakes who saved Cyprus but destroyed all of Luxembourg's alliance, and then Cyprus, by tripping on a bomb that said 'DO NOT HELP CYPRUS LIVE!' Which didn't make any sense, but ate anyway, destroyed a Pizza Hut for all.
This is SPARTA and we kick your behinds. The pentamyriad shoe ate a pickle wearing a pirate hat, and we all rejoiced. But, just then a very big and hairy monster rained explosive diarrhea. Then everyone puked yellow spriggats and pissed of LethalLaurie. Which made a certifiably DISGUSTING display.
The next morning, everyone was very

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Politics / Re: The Doomsday Theory
« on: March 20, 2011, 05:32:24 PM »
Wow, I guess no one trust the Mayans!

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General Discussion / Re: What's your religion?
« on: March 20, 2011, 05:31:18 PM »
I never disagreed with the first point, I was just saying that your spirit goes on.

It is spiritual death in the sense that you are separate from God and completely unable to help yourself. We are described as spiritually dead before we become Christians because our sins separate us from God. Being spiritually dead, we couldn't save or help ourselves, we couldn't become right with God, we were dead. We couldn't "do" anything spiritually. When Jesus died he gave us the power to believe and come alive. The second death is death in the sense that you are spiritually dead and with no hope of coming alive. It is condemnation to be dead forever. If you are spiritually dead but still physically alive, you may still come alive, but in the second death, that hope is dead. Hell is the end of hope to come alive. It is torment because you are separate from God, your creator, with no hope of being reconciled. It is judgment, because your sins/treason have not been atoned, so you are cast out.

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General Discussion / Re: What's your religion?
« on: March 20, 2011, 01:08:38 PM »
Biological death, or the first death, is not eternal in a sense. Your dead body stays dead, but your soul isn't. Hell is the second death, the death that effects your soul/spirit, where you "live" apart from God in misery. Note that in the bible, spiritual death is the same as being apart from God.

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General Discussion / Re: What's your religion?
« on: March 20, 2011, 12:40:55 PM »
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I don't understand you. Are you saying that, having been created by God (which I wasn't -- I was the result of completely human conception, which God had no part in), I can no more live apart from him than can I live in Hell?
Your body was birthed through human conception, which is a concept God created. There is no life apart from God. To live apart from or separate from God is the same as living in hell, which is the second death.

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Cyso, Buggy, has it ever occurred to you that the best thing you could do for an atheist would be to put them in Hell? They'd love it. Or are you so fixated on dreams of eternal.... something... that you fail to see the perks?
I don't think you understand exactly what you're asking for. Have you read any descriptions of hell? It's described as a place of misery, sorrows, torment, and weeping. It is described as everlasting destruction. It's like spending eternity dying.

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General Discussion / Re: What's your religion?
« on: March 19, 2011, 09:11:42 PM »
When you sin against God, you commit treason against God. The punishment for treason is death. So, you get eternal death. You ask to be separate from God. You turn your back on him and want to live apart from him, so he grants you your wish. Being created by God, living apart from him is the same as living in hell. When you sin, you are asking to be separate from God.

There are only two options, life or death. Heaven or hell.


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General Discussion / Re: What's your religion?
« on: March 19, 2011, 07:01:14 PM »
Your Christian friend can't pay for his own sin, let alone yours.
God's standards of judging a lot different from your own. You might live a life of integrity by your standards (or my standards) but your good works don't cover up your bad. You still sinned and broke the law, so you have to pay for it. Before you even say that your sins are minor and God shouldn't punish you for it, I'm going to remind you that when you sin, you turn your back to God and live your own way without caring what he thinks, regardless of what you do. You said yourself that you don't care about God. Why should he let you into heaven and spend eternity with him if you don't care about him?

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Forum Games / Re: Corrupt a Wish Foundation
« on: March 19, 2011, 11:11:16 AM »
Granted. My brother has written a neat program which he just showed me. Basically, the zombie bugs bite the regular bugs and turn them into zombies. Then, the zombugs run around and gradually turn darker and darker until they explode in a blot of blood.
Congrats, buggy! You exploded in a bolt of blood.
I wish I could write computer programs.

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Forum Games / Re: Corrupt a Wish Foundation
« on: March 19, 2011, 10:51:40 AM »
Granted. He dies, falls over, and crushes you.
I wish buggy wasn't crushed.

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General Discussion / Re: What's your religion?
« on: March 19, 2011, 10:43:17 AM »
Just because someone launches a war in the name of a religion doesn't mean it is religiously justified. I don't think the word "crusade" appears in the Bible.

Yes, but we must purge the land of evil, right?

-- Demon Duck

What if a man or woman was the most atrocious person to have ever lived, but they didn't care?

What if they thought everything they did was right, and they were a Christian, and they prayed, and they worshipped, and they obeyed the commandments, and they never committed a deadly sin. What then, if they, throughout their whole life, wronged people to the greatest extent, while simply thinking themselves shrewd, or impassive, or oblivious?

What if they never defied their moral compass once, with no sin because they had no concept of good or evil, because they never had been told that the things they did were evil, wrong, atrocious; or maybe they had been told, but their faith blinded them, leading them to believe they were only working in the service of their Lord? No sin. God would have to let him or her in through the pearly gates, and everyone would know him or her, and they would recoil in fear of the awful person they knew in life whom they swore would not follow them into death. And "Heaven" would be as Hell. Fear, chaos, evil, lies would spread through the promised land above, and this merciless scourge without sin would leave hate and loathing where he went.

Now consider the opposite case. A man or woman learns of wrongs and rights, but they a Jew, a Muslim, a Buddhist, a Taoist, a Confucianist, an aborigine with tribal beliefs. They live their life as best they can, and they go to Hell. This is why I don't like the message Christianity tries to get across, and for other reasons, too.

And punctuate your sentences correctly, will you? It's hard to read when you don't.

Okay. I'm going to quote this verse again. Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

When? I don't remember sinning.

--Blasphemous Billed One

You don't get into heaven because you don't sin.

So you go to hell for not sinning?

-- Insolent Insomniacal Waterfowl

 If that were the case, no one would get into heaven.

People without sin would.

--Mallard of Malarkey

 Sin isn't violating your moral compass, it is violating God's law and living your life apart from him.

But how can God condemn a person to eternal punishment for violating a law they didn't know existed?
I would think a kind and loving God would only punish you for doing something you know is wrong.


-- Funky Floater Fowl

It is ignoring God and telling him that you don't want to listen to him.

I can't say I've had the opportunity to do either. The latter's possibility is doubtful, given the current metaphysical climate, and the former is impossible, with you rubbing Him in my nose every few weeks.

-- Yawning Yellow One

 As Christians, we still sin. This is a quote from some Christian (I forgot his name) as best I remember it.
The difference between a Christian and a Non-Christian is not that one has no sins and the other does, but that one takes part with a reconciled God against his sins while the other takes part with his sins against a dreaded God.
When a Christian gets to heaven, their sinful nature is completely erased so there will be no sin.

Up-bup-bub-bup-BUP! TISK! I don't have any sins on me. I took a shower, and I made sure to get them all off, with soap and somewhat holy water.
And how about when an atheist gets to heaven? Then what happens? I'll bet it's more impressive than sin erasure. I'll bet Hell freezes over the very same day.
And did I mention that I reject, loathe, despise, and quite regret my sins? Well -- the ones that hurt people. The ones like not worshipping a creator that's provided scant evidence for His claim, and who is completely invincible and invulnerable and all-powerful, and therefore cannot be hurt by anything, and therefore my choosing not to worship Him for dignity and integrity's sake couldn't hurt Him a bit.
Three letters. Q, E, and D.

-- Logical Louis Parker (with apologies to Alan Moore)

If there is a god, his actions throughout the centuries have not earned him my worship, but my enmity. If there is a god, he has allowed his holy teachings to be debased, misused and distorted. If there is a god, he is a murderer - a genocidal maniac who has committed more evil than any demon in the name of a passing fancy!

Why are we supposed to worship him merely for creating us, then proceeding to fill our lives with suffering and pain? If he is real, he is not perfect, but more flawed than any human.

You are basically asking how God can be good if there is so much evil in the world. God could have gotten rid of the evil in the very beginning by killing Adam and Eve and starting over. He wages of sin are death. But he didn't. Why? I can guess. Despite all of the terrible things that go on, God uses them to accomplish something good. In the story of Joseph in Genesis, Joseph's brothers sold him as a slave. In the end, Joseph ended up saving several people from a famine. He then says at the end, "You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives." A good (or terrible, maybe) example of this would be the Holocaust. Despite how horrible that was, God used that to cause Israel to be reformed as a nation, like predicted in Ezekiel a lot earlier. It isn't exactly pleasant to think about it, but God can and will use terrible things to get stuff done. If he didn't, he wouldn't have anything to use at all.
The other part of the guess is that God's plan is to make the best possible ending. So, no matter how bad things are now, things will be okay in the end.
The last part of your post reminds me of a testimony I heard from someone in my youth group. Their life had been very bad. I won't go into all the details, but it included drugs, depression, and suicide attempts. I haven't said the worst of it, and I'm not going to. They are a Christian now. Their testimony is that, no matter how bad things get, God can help you still.
If our lives were always wonderful, then we wouldn't see our need for God. We would be content to live/die as we were.

Yes, but I don't see the need for God anyway. Maybe God should have made that bit clearer. Sure, he helped create the whole universe, but I've lived my life without even seeing the dang fool, and I don't see any reason to love the Dude now.

-- Opinionated Overbalanced One (splash!)

No, it doesn't say in the Bible that we must purge the land of evil. This is a quote from Revelation 22:11
"Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.

You said yourself that you aren't perfect. You have said yourself that you have occasionally violated your own moral compass. You don't live how God would want you to live. You live apart from God.

When I said you don't get into heaven for not sinning, I meant that Christians do not go to heaven because they are perfect. They go because Jesus paid for our sins. If no one has paid for your sins, then you go to hell.

Yes, people without sin would get into heaven. There aren't any people without sin.

Ignorance of the law will not excuse you from the consequence of the law in America. It won't excuse you from the consequence of law with God, either. Just because you didn't know what the law was doesn't mean that you didn't break it. God isn't going to let you in heaven after you have broken the law. That would be about the equivalent of releasing someone for driving drunk and running someone over because they didn't know it was wrong or illegal to drive drunk. You wouldn't release him, God won't release people into heaven.

You are ignoring him. You aren't ignoring me, but you ignore him when you live your life completely apart from him and don't care a thing about him.

You have sins on you. I really hope the comment about washing sins off with soap was just a joke. Atheist don't get to heaven. And no, you can't hurt God, but you can annoy him or make him mad. He made himself fully human. By the way, not worshiping someone for your own dignity's sake seems to be a somewhat selfish reason. Of course, since you don't think he exists, I guess that probably isn't the reason you don't worship him.

You need God because you have sinned, and the wages of sin is death (eternal death). Without God, you go to hell. With God, you don't go to hell. If you don't care at all whether or not you need him, then stop saying that you don't see your need for him. If you don't understand the process or your need for him, then please feel free to ask.

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General Discussion / Re: What's your religion?
« on: March 14, 2011, 08:19:07 PM »
Buggy got it exactly right. We are a source of sin. But rather than removing us entirely, he just uses us to bring about something better. That's what I was trying to point out with Joseph. Selling Joseph into slavery was a terrible thing to do. But if his brothers hadn't, then many people would have died in famine.

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@ Buggy: The topic 'How can god be good when there's so much bad in the world?' doesn't even make sense. Why can't God be good, if there's so much evil? Why can't an apple be an apple if it's in a basket full of pears? Good example though, to prove what you want to prove (I don't know what you're trying to prove, though)

I think that the idea behind the topic 'How can God be good when there's so much bad in the world' is that people think that if God was really good, he would remove all traces of evil from the world. We being the sources of evil, that would mean removing us from the world. But God can still use evil to do whatever he wants. He can still use evil to bring about something better, so he permits it because the end result is much better.

One temptation of Jesus in the wilderness was to turn the stones in the wilderness to bread. I don't know this for sure, but I think there were probably a good number of stones. Part of what he was tempting Jesus to do was to forget about God and just do something good for himself. If everything was good in the world, we would probably forget about God.

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