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Started by fourinone, February 24, 2012, 07:13:55 PM
QuoteExcept defeated spirits never return.
QuoteLogically, The Spirits Within reveals what spirits really are. The book was strategically put after Crypt 4 to be a small plot twist. People seem to want to dismiss The Spirits Within for emotional reasons. Even though the facts say otherwise, people stubbornly want to believe that spirits are souls remaining to do unfinished business instead of telepathes subconsciously creating artificial beings.
Quote from: Chocobo_Fan on February 29, 2012, 04:15:27 PMSo this is what you're basing your argument on? I'm afraid it's a flawed basis. I don't see it as a plot twist. Look at the game's main narrative: Craig avoids giving a direct answer to the nature of Yahweh and the Cult, instead providing a number of equally plausible explanations and allowing the player to come to their own conclusions. Why wouldn't he do a similar thing with The Spirit Within?
Quote from: Chocobo_Fan on February 29, 2012, 04:15:27 PMThe book provides an alternate, non-magical explanation for why spirits exist.
Quote from: Chocobo_Fan on February 29, 2012, 04:15:27 PMYou can choose whether or not to believe it, but there is no evidence that shows it to be fact.
Quote from: Chocobo_Fan on February 29, 2012, 04:15:27 PMThe book was written by an in-universe author with their own biases and incomplete knowledge of the subject -- the wording in the book implies they've never actually seen a spirit themselves, in fact. Does this not make the source suspect?
Quote from: Ertxiem on February 29, 2012, 06:23:03 PMSome say spirits are dead people some say they aren't.
Quote from: Ertxiem on February 29, 2012, 06:23:03 PMI think that what Craig wanted to do when he wrote The Spirit Within was to give us a "reasonable doubt" regarding what are spirits.
Quote from: Ertxiem on February 29, 2012, 06:23:03 PMReviving dead characters and the existence of psy powers more effective than common weapons are a kind of magic to me. I believe that Craig used the term magic referring to sorcery - that kind of magic is absent in Cera Bella.
Quote from: Ertxiem on March 01, 2012, 12:35:17 PMSince spirits are creations of psys, instead of dead people, why can Luca be a creation of somebody else than Duvalier?
Quote from: Ertxiem on March 01, 2012, 12:35:17 PMSet, for instance - in this case, Luca could be a subconscious creation that does things that Set forbids himself to do but may feel the desire to do.
Quote from: Chocobo_Fan on March 15, 2012, 07:43:12 PMThe point Zackirus was trying to make is that there isn't conclusive proof for either side. You could believe either interpretation, both are equally valid. Stop trying to pass off your interpretation as objective fact. It isn't.
Quote from: Zackirus on March 15, 2012, 12:17:25 AMAlso: just because one can affect a spirit, does not mean that one is the creator of it, I mean, Duvalier can convince Azuma that his name is Zalam, does that mean that Duvalier made him too?
Quote from: Zackirus on March 15, 2012, 12:17:25 AMIf Luca is a creation of Duvalier, then why does she depart the earthly realm at the end of TSoG? If it were truely the case that she was Duvalier's Psy Energy, then she should remain on earth until Duvalier himself dies, as it says in The Spirit Within. Even more so, if she isn't dead in the first place, where exactually is she going?
Quote from: Zackirus on March 15, 2012, 12:17:25 AMEven more so, if she isn't dead in the first place, where exactually is she going?
Quote from: Zackirus on March 16, 2012, 09:14:21 PMFurthermore, these scholar's conlusions are based upon their outside observations, where as, Luca/Rajav's conclusions are based upon actually experiencing such 'observations'.
Quote from: SmartyPants on March 15, 2012, 03:00:12 PMAfter Duvalier asks Luca what she is, Luca answers, "I do not know. I was once like you, I think..."
Quote from: Zackirus on March 16, 2012, 09:14:21 PMTo your point of the book is written by scholars. Where did you obtain that kind of information? How do you know that Al'al or the Beggar didn't write that book? Just because it's written down in a book doesn't mean it's the truth, I mean, their are plently of other books that claim more preposterous things, yet, people believe they are true.
Quote from: Zackirus on March 16, 2012, 10:35:27 PMYet, when you talk to her in the Headquaters, she says that she will leave this world once her promised is fulfilled. So, if she has choice over what she does, who technically controls Luca? Herself or Duvalier's sub-concsious?
Quote from: Zackirus on March 16, 2012, 10:35:27 PMMy question isn't asking what happens when you die; the question is asking, if Psy Energy isn't dead, and it leaves it's form, where is it going? Energy cannot be created or destoryed mind you.
Quote from: Zackirus on March 16, 2012, 10:35:27 PMWhile it is true that Spirits have fuzzy details pertaining to their past, how do you explain Rajav's incredible recollection of his past events.
Quote from: Zackirus on March 16, 2012, 10:35:27 PMCraig even mentions in a twitter post that, Rajav is an excellent Spearman and Lover; too bad he's dead.