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Started by SmartyPants, April 23, 2010, 04:29:30 PM
Quote from: Ertxiem on April 30, 2010, 11:35:40 AMQuote from: im2smart4u on April 26, 2010, 02:51:51 PM[...] The inability to enforce the law encourages illegal immigrants to come here and some commit murders like the death of Robert Krentz.I must say that I strongly disagree with that sentence. Although you didn't write it explicitly, it seems that you're implying that illegal immigrants come to commit murders.
Quote from: im2smart4u on April 26, 2010, 02:51:51 PM[...] The inability to enforce the law encourages illegal immigrants to come here and some commit murders like the death of Robert Krentz.
Quote from: Ertxiem on April 30, 2010, 11:35:40 AMI agree with Zhampir. A cop can make up a reason to pull me over. If it's just the two of us in there, it's my word against his word. Nonetheless, most of them will not do that, but we know that there are prejudiced people everywhere.
Quote from: CraigStern on April 28, 2010, 07:34:28 PMThe wording they use there is a little tricky. It says: "A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not solely consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution."
Quote from: CraigStern on May 03, 2010, 04:32:31 PMDo you have a link to the revised text of the bill?
Quote from: CraigStern on May 03, 2010, 09:10:30 PMAnyway, that's good that they changed that! I think the reason many people are still concerned about the bill is that they don't trust law enforcement officers (already somewhat notorious for racial profiling) to enforce the law even-handedly with the threat of lawsuits from private citizens hanging over their heads.
Quote from: im2smart4u on April 30, 2010, 03:04:38 PMOther then drug cartels, illegal immigrants don't come to the US to commit murder. Although if illegal immigrants were unable to stay in the country, because the law is being enforced, then they would not try to come here illegally in the first place. If illegal immigrants were not invading the southern border, then people like Robert Krentz wouldn't have to die.[...]
Quote from: im2smart4u on May 04, 2010, 06:57:02 PMRacial profiling is a pretext to prevent an increase in deportations. I can tell this is true, because the revised bill better clairfies when an officer can ask someone for identification and it also improves the anti-racial profiling text, yet the outrage hasn't died down. The outrage hasn't died down, because racial profiling isn't the real issue.
Quote from: CraigStern on May 04, 2010, 07:53:30 PMLet's look at the bill again. On one hand, this bill adds no protections against racial profiling that do not already exist under the Constitution. On the other hand, it forces state police to enforce federal immigration law (which they otherwise would have no obligation to do), requires them to enforce the law as strictly as possible, and allows private citizens standing to sue the police if they do not enforce the law as strictly as possible.You might find this bill's safeguards against racial profiling adequate, but that doesn't mean that other people aren't honestly concerned about the bill's potential effects.
Quote from: CraigStern on June 04, 2010, 12:03:37 AMHonestly, I would be rather surprised if the Arizona bill didn't increase the number of Democratic voters. ;)